DoubleBlade
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iansoh said:
If you can play one genre of Jazz , it does not mean that you can play Jazz as a general whole...
One is considered a good pianist if he can play jazz
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If you can play one genre of Jazz , it does not mean that you can play Jazz as a general whole...
haha.. i understand. thought of it too ... but it would be pointless as theory application on a piano and application of theory on my instrument(guitar) is a seperate entity. learn on piano..still need to put in hours to make sense of it on the guitar. like doublework.
it is however very different on a guitar - its like a grid... gets kinda confusing... esp at that B string... my mind cant work that fast... will take some practise. :?
oh yah ..another point is....
any one can say "i play jazz".
even if they knew a miniscule amount of jazz they could claim to be jazz players.
anyone could also say , they play blues , rock , pop , folk , country...blah blah. they can claim to own private jets and even pet elephants.
point being. if you cant even play anything jazzy. dun say you play jazz.
dun need to be able to play jazz in general .. just play a simple jazz standard. Pick an easy one . learn it. then you can actually loudly proclaim you play jazz.
because...if cannot even play a simple standard fluidly... then i dun think you qualify to say "Jazz is not hard."
3notesAbar
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Yeah man. Some people come here just to talk, not to back up their shit.
DoubleBlade
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I guess the foundation of Jazz music was based on classical music theory. You can say Jazz is like a splinter group which broke off from the main classical route. Your crochets , quavers , semi quavers , rest , intervals all derived from classical music theory.
There are also some people who want to diversify in their playing by learning Jazz. I seriously compliment their desire in learning Jazz but the thing here is that some of these people do not have a fair understanding in their chords and scales. I mean , chords and scales are definitely the foundation of Jazz music. If you don't have a fair knowledge of it (I'm not saying you need to know your chords and scales at the back of your head) , then learning Jazz is gonna do more harm then good...
Instead these people should put their desire to learn Jazz on hold and start to work on their chords , chord theory/formation and scales. Only by doing this can learning Jazz be damn FUN!!!! Definitely beats playing classical music...
There are also some people who want to diversify in their playing by learning Jazz. I seriously compliment their desire in learning Jazz but the thing here is that some of these people do not have a fair understanding in their chords and scales. I mean , chords and scales are definitely the foundation of Jazz music. If you don't have a fair knowledge of it (I'm not saying you need to know your chords and scales at the back of your head) , then learning Jazz is gonna do more harm then good...
Instead these people should put their desire to learn Jazz on hold and start to work on their chords , chord theory/formation and scales. Only by doing this can learning Jazz be damn FUN!!!! Definitely beats playing classical music...
Ok ... doubleblade... read your last post...
and then think hard... who totally fits in this description:
but the thing here is that some of these people do not have a fair understanding in their chords and scales. I mean , chords and scales are definitely the foundation of Jazz music. If you don't have a fair knowledge of it (I'm not saying you need to know your chords and scales at the back of your head) , then learning Jazz is gonna do more harm then good...
giving tips like a jazz pro is one thing.
giving tips like a jazz pro , but cant even play simple song like An Jing. That is a problem.
and then think hard... who totally fits in this description:
but the thing here is that some of these people do not have a fair understanding in their chords and scales. I mean , chords and scales are definitely the foundation of Jazz music. If you don't have a fair knowledge of it (I'm not saying you need to know your chords and scales at the back of your head) , then learning Jazz is gonna do more harm then good...
giving tips like a jazz pro is one thing.
giving tips like a jazz pro , but cant even play simple song like An Jing. That is a problem.
afterdeath
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heeheehee........
no hard feeling....... mi too.......
:twisted:
no hard feeling....... mi too.......
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iansoh
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yep. that's what it is guys. complicated design, but not hard to understand. the stereo that comes with the car even has a feature which plays your Mozart and Bach(God forbid!) CDs in swing mode.
Get yours today! subwoofer sold separately.(manufacturers tip: rock and techno sound bad in swing mode)
DoubleBlade
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Okay I'm just gonna take a step back and shut my mouth for now...
But I don't see why we always tend to associate one's own knowledge of music with his/her standard of playing. What I know , I share it. This has nothing to do with my standard of playing. All these are based on my observance. What I've said so far is not based on assumption but rather on experience.
Whatever it is , I will still stick to the "Jazz is complicated but not difficult". Complicated meaning lots of theory work involved and difficult meaning once you understand the theory work behind Jazz , it can be manageble
I'm sorry if I've offended anyone here. My intentions were always sincere. I don't want you guys to think that I like to boast about myself. I don't want you guys to have a bad impression of me.
I guess a keyboardist/pianist way of thinking completely opposes to what other instrumentalist think....
Once again , my sincere apologies to any SOFTies to whom I've offended in one way or another
But I don't see why we always tend to associate one's own knowledge of music with his/her standard of playing. What I know , I share it. This has nothing to do with my standard of playing. All these are based on my observance. What I've said so far is not based on assumption but rather on experience.
Whatever it is , I will still stick to the "Jazz is complicated but not difficult". Complicated meaning lots of theory work involved and difficult meaning once you understand the theory work behind Jazz , it can be manageble
I'm sorry if I've offended anyone here. My intentions were always sincere. I don't want you guys to think that I like to boast about myself. I don't want you guys to have a bad impression of me.
I guess a keyboardist/pianist way of thinking completely opposes to what other instrumentalist think....
Once again , my sincere apologies to any SOFTies to whom I've offended in one way or another
Jazz is always considered the cliche of the most technical genre of music to play, on piano, and even guitar. But thing to ask is, who can be the judge of that? So I'm not stating facts here, but merely my opinion. The thing about Jazz is that it requires a feel for the music - something that a lot of self proclaimed musicians do not have. There's a lot of the off-beat involved - synchronised off beats - and unless a musician has a good foundation or technical level in music, it will be impossible to pull off the swingin' tempo. That's just what I think.
bongman
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last heard from a local ang moh sax player that Jazz is intelligent music,
however how many people appreciate this genre of music ?
as far as I know, normally Jazz is appreciated by music lovers after 30 years old when they are
tired of pop and rock, they normally move on to listen to Jazz.
true in a way it's intelligent music because of its complicated chordal
and improvsiation scales.
a senior musician would refer to play Jazz than any pop or rock
however how many people appreciate this genre of music ?
as far as I know, normally Jazz is appreciated by music lovers after 30 years old when they are
tired of pop and rock, they normally move on to listen to Jazz.
true in a way it's intelligent music because of its complicated chordal
and improvsiation scales.
a senior musician would refer to play Jazz than any pop or rock
Why do you all think Jazz is only piano keyboard playing, off tempo beats, improvisation, old man's music and a cliched playing style?
This is the general public percpetion with no music knowledge. There is substantial truth but Jazz is about
Music Style and knowledge.
Basic musicianship is supposed to be there because Jazz is considered an higher knowledge of learning but of couse not comparable to pure classical aficionados.
But with every music genre, there is pros cons. Tempo, technicality, expression, tonality. Technicality plays an important part. The standard basic level should be at least Grade 8 and above to learn. Unless you are like Ray Charles or any of them.
But how do you consider someone a pianist? My definition is that, if you are able to adequately bring out the score intention, style with technical accuracy and knowledge. I will consider you a pianist.
This is the general public percpetion with no music knowledge. There is substantial truth but Jazz is about
Music Style and knowledge.
Basic musicianship is supposed to be there because Jazz is considered an higher knowledge of learning but of couse not comparable to pure classical aficionados.
But with every music genre, there is pros cons. Tempo, technicality, expression, tonality. Technicality plays an important part. The standard basic level should be at least Grade 8 and above to learn. Unless you are like Ray Charles or any of them.
But how do you consider someone a pianist? My definition is that, if you are able to adequately bring out the score intention, style with technical accuracy and knowledge. I will consider you a pianist.
Cheez
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bongman said:
I'm going to start my son learning jazz ABRSM. I'm thinking of starting the standard classical piano ABRSM until maybe grade 3 or 5 - then switch over to jazz ABRSM. I played some jazz CD the other day and asked him whether he liked it. He said no. When I asked him why, he said, "There is no singing." But since he listens to classical music everday, I asked him whether he liked classical music. He said yes. When asked why classical and not jazz, he said, "Because it is sweeter and nicer." (my son is 4)
Not sure whether above 30 is the cutoff for appreciating jazz, but 4 year olds sure don't!
iansoh
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that's cool cheez. i would do the same to my kids(if i get any).
might be a good idea to inculcate the jazz feel and language from young. many of us singaporeans struggle when learning because we usually start on jazz only when much older.
it is more common to see musicians in other countries playing jazz effortlessly at a young age, i think a large part of it owes to being exposed right from the start when they just started picking up music.
might be a good idea to inculcate the jazz feel and language from young. many of us singaporeans struggle when learning because we usually start on jazz only when much older.
it is more common to see musicians in other countries playing jazz effortlessly at a young age, i think a large part of it owes to being exposed right from the start when they just started picking up music.
bongman
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it happened to a lot of my friends after 30-33, they stop buying Top40 CDsCheez said:I'm going to start my son learning jazz ABRSM. I'm thinking of starting the standard classical piano ABRSM until maybe grade 3 or 5 - then switch over to jazz ABRSM.bongman said:
Not sure whether above 30 is the cutoff for appreciating jazz, but 4 year olds sure don't!
and experiment listening to jazz fusion, jazz trio, instrumentals and new age music. that's just my opinion and observation
