NS deaths

[faizal_rocks]

Hi all, I read the latest news of a recruit who died soon after booking out in the ST today. And before this was the news of a commando who died in South Africa while parachuting. Correct me if I'm wrong, I think there were quite a number of NS deaths happening this year. Its so sad to see our fellow countrymen perish just like that and they are not even fighting in a real war.

The one I'll still remember was during my NS days back in 2003 when a trainee drowned while having his head submerged by commando instructors and they were eventually dismissed.

And what is strange is that some of the men who died had excellent health conditions.

What are your thoughts? Do share your input.

 

[Plastic]

Sends shivers down my spine.

 

[alpha.Gui]

I wonder what is going on in his head when he realise he's chute cant open... such a slow death.

And recently there's a rise in ns deaths. Standard one, max cancel tranining for a week then say they will investigate but somehow ns men kept adding to the numbers... where's the error at?

 

[syed_zack]

and im goin in a few months time...kinda...contemplating on my mortality...its so unpredcitable..

 

[amnesiac]

Sad. For some cases, it's the NS man who over exerts himself too much. Even if you're in perfect health and you over exert yourself, you're prone to sudden death..

 

[Rayza Aman]

I'm glad my Ns days is over but still i think it's the worst 2 years of my life.. it's just a Waste of my time.. they should change the duration for a year or so..

 

[rockassmonster]

..

yeah man, how do we tell the goverment to reduce the ns period? or at least the amount of force exerted on recruits..
thru petition?
really, they need to at least reduce on what they're doing to the men of this country..
we're not even fighting any war, yet our men are still killed in the 'battlefield'..

im serving mine in a few months time..

ey,cmon, start a new thread specifically for ghost encounters during ns!!
it'll be exciting!

 

[thang82]

I'm glad my Ns days is over but still i think it's the worst 2 years of my life.. it's just a Waste of my time.. they should change the duration for a year or so..

yea man they really should shorten it.my NS days was a nightmare!and now have reservist to look forward to

 

[faizal_rocks]

To those who are going in NS soon, let me just say, ur lucky that that NS duration has been changed to 2 years instead of 2 1/2 years. The change came into effect during my last few mths before ORD so was able to leave NS 2 mths earlier.

So now its just reservist, will be going for my 5th one this year but I do ask myself the risks I'll be going thru during my reservist. So the least I can do is to be mentally prepared mentally and physically. But like I mentioned earlier, is when someone's health is found to be perfect and then he passes away suddenly...is something I cannot fathom. It is indeed a frightening thought.

Back during my BMT days, we were taught the meaning of pushing ourselves to the limit. Mind over body. Most of us would know that we won't dare to tell our superiors if we don't feel well fearing that we might be labelled as chao keng n get punished. I feel this is the mentality of the recruits now.

Life is very precious to be thrown away just like that.

 

[teleplayer]

maybe the recruit is over-exerting himself.. but the instructor is also responsible. they are like "torturing" people inside. They do not spare a thought for the parents and treat the new recruits like slaves or what not. When their children die, the parents lose their child and that could lead to depression etc. BUT those instructors only lose their jobs. It's not fair for the parents.

Actually I don't mind being called those names. If I have the chance, I will find excuses to skip training and maybe work in a office or wash toilet. I seriously don't mind.

Sigh...

 

[balloons]

to Faizal_rocks: I think if John lennon is in Singapore,he would actively try to promote no NS for ever.

 

[faizal_rocks]

balloons: Ahh, yes of coz, give peace a chance!

teleplayer: I agree with u. I was once like them, telling myself I can do it and forget what's going to happen next. Its lucky that I'm alive n still here writing this. As my NS years go by, I realized its not worth pushing urself if ur health is not in tip top condition. Even if u eventually get posted to doing admin paper work stuff, there's still the politics and backstabbing from ur fellow colleagues and this will eventually be much evident in civillian working life after ORD.

 

[fuzztremecho]

NS days were the one of the best days of my life...i found it enjoyable.
BMT days are tough..yup that's true but first and foremost must learn how to cari makan...

do what being told, if can keng or siam..better but if can't..just smile..endure only..
post BMT can relax a bit..sometimes kena tekan but i've always imagine that person who is "tekaning" me is a buffoon/idiot/moron and all's well..probably it's my character..relax n chill one corner..

deaths to NSmen...well...when you got to go..you gotta go..nobody can predict when and how you gonna leave...it's sad but those left behind gotta go on..

btw i've done my NS days in 95...almost a good 15 years ago

 

[teleplayer]

faizal_rocks: haiz.. okay... haha. i seriously hope that by the time I go NS, it will only be 1-1.5 years. haha.

 

[dudelove]

to faizal_rocks: I think if john lennon is in singapore,he would actively try to promote no ns for ever.

+10001243210434

 

[theliverevolution]

maybe the recruit is over-exerting himself.. but the instructor is also responsible. they are like "torturing" people inside. They do not spare a thought for the parents and treat the new recruits like slaves or what not. When their children die, the parents lose their child and that could lead to depression etc. BUT those instructors only lose their jobs. It's not fair for the parents.

Actually I don't mind being called those names. If I have the chance, I will find excuses to skip training and maybe work in a office or wash toilet. I seriously don't mind.

Sigh...

I don't think you should push all the blame to the instructors. Unfortunately, instructors HAVE to be firm on recruits to instill discipline. Very rarely would you have a case of "torture". There are a lot of rules, regulations, protocols that are in place to prevent that from happening. Of course, if the recruit has a problem, there are many ways to go to. He can speak to either the Sergeants, if not the Detachment/Platoon Commanders, OCs, and even CO. If not, there is the SAF hotline.

Most of the times, these people who die are not those who are being "tortured". Most of these deaths I've seen is due to medical reasons that the SAF are not aware of. Not all people declare their full medical history before they enlist. This may be because they think its unnecessary to declare minor problems, and not aware of the big dangers behind that small problem of them. Sometimes, these people aren't even aware of these problems.

Now, I'm not so sure about the recruit who booked out, as I've yet to see the report. As for the commando parachutist who died, I know exactly what went on, however, there has been a gag order put up. All I can reveal is that he IS the instructor, his health was pretty much perfect, and it was an accident. He was one of my jump instructors back in Parachute Training Wing, and I'm dismayed to see that he has died.

 

[terryansimon]

I don't think you should push all the blame to the instructors. Unfortunately, instructors HAVE to be firm on recruits to instill discipline. Very rarely would you have a case of "torture". There are a lot of rules, regulations, protocols that are in place to prevent that from happening. Of course, if the recruit has a problem, there are many ways to go to. He can speak to either the Sergeants, if not the Detachment/Platoon Commanders, OCs, and even CO. If not, there is the SAF hotline.

Most of the times, these people who die are not those who are being "tortured". Most of these deaths I've seen is due to medical reasons that the SAF are not aware of. Not all people declare their full medical history before they enlist. This may be because they think its unnecessary to declare minor problems, and not aware of the big dangers behind that small problem of them. Sometimes, these people aren't even aware of these problems.

precisely. it's called underlying medical conditions, some of which could be asymptomatic. I don't understand why anybody doesn't seem to realise this, and are quick to point their accusatory fingers at everyone else apart from that.

that being said, any death, accidental or intentional, is still a sad loss for the family, and my condolences goes out to the family.

 

[teleplayer]

haha. I didn't say it was all the instructors' fault. haha. well, this is just my opinion and how i view NS...

 

[theliverevolution]

Everyone has to go through it, whether we like it or not. As long as you're Singaporean, past 18, never served NS, you get enlisted. Grin and bear it, and you may just enjoy it.

 

[teleplayer]

Sigh... true... NS reminds me of army daze... haha. funny movie.