ShyamRaj
New member
Well its been awhile since i have left a thread here or even left a post . Only reason is because non of the threads seemed to intrest me much. *no pun*
Today i decided to leave one . For some , you might think against me and for some we might merge in tought.
i recently went for a gig * i am not stating which one* to support a friend who just got his second new gig. He is a newbie in the scene who is schoolin and getting pocket money from his parents which is just enough maybe to get him a meal and coke on a hot day.
He has the enthusiasm and want to get his bands name out there. He was told to sell 25 tickets of $12 each to let his band SHOWCASE their talent to whoever came . He had to sign a contract stating that if he sold under 25 he had to pay for the excess amt. which was the tickets unsold. so he sold 15 tics and so he would have to pay 120 bucks of his own pocket money. which is enough to feed him well enough to not live on meal and coke for 1/2 a month honestly.
But there was the nice guy side of the organiser. if he sold anything abouve 30 he will get 50 bucks...
this is simple maths incase some are blind to see...
25 x 12 = $300 <---- organiser gets. anything under .. YOU PAY !!!
30 x 12 = $360 <--- organiser say good boy and gives you 50 bucks .WOW!!!
NOW DO THE MATH
360-50 = 310 <after giving you , this are his profits>
his percentage to you as a perfomer that jammed like hell to nail this gig is 7.2 : 1
which is basicly 72 % ass owned!! that is if you hit 30 too...
other than that you are 100 % owned
WHAT FORM OF BUISNESS IS THIS ? organisers wanna earn their money well give them back
the only reason you are doing this is to ensure a turn out . and the only reason you ask for tickets unsold to be paid is coz you want to cover you ass in paying club their fee before you have to take something out of your own pocket .
Shouldnt you who is doing all their minimal showcassing and publicizing work at the same time channeling all the risk to them and GETTING ALL THE PROFITS be selling those tickets then??
Isnt it your job to ensure these tickets are sold and not getting bands involved?
what right do you have? if you beleive in showcassing these bands at least do it with a good heart and not put their wallents at risk. Do you realise they bring in the crowd?
Back in this gig i went for was a horrible sound system and no turn out other than bands and their friends maybe 1 or 2. imagine how many were placed to this option.
HERE IS MY 2 CENTS WORTH BANDS
to hell with these organisers you know who they are ?
here is what you guys can do.
1. Post on soft.com asking for New bie bands to come forward. Hell of alot will come!!! either a post or a pm.
2.Ask them if they would like to join together to do a gig among new bie bands
3.Call one abang abang band in scene and ask them if they would like to play. if they dont then carry on still..
4,get the list
5.Approach a Club/pub
6.Let them know your idea
7.Give them a date that you want it held.
8. 8 is a beautiful number and a smart clever point. If you are playing for those jerked off organisers that are asking you to buy 25 tickets just to play . Which is 300 bucks confirmed will come out if you dont sell. mind my singlish.
get 5 bands . 150 each . 150 bucks * 5 = 750 .
you got 750 bucks to do a kick ass gig.
9. try ways and means how the pub can work deal around that money . Or book a place for a while for that price or do profit sharing of drinks with the place. tell them you will bring in the crowd to buy a drink. get the date alias with the bands / alocate times.
10: Tell all your friends there is a free gig.
11.Post an ad on soft stating the free gig and receiving support,
12. You had fun , Saved alot of money , Got to know new bands , and got laid!!)
There are great organisers outthere guys . you just have to email them and keep jamming to be tight with a decent demo. Use that money you are paying these kinda gig organisers.
some of my trust are .
Deafcon (amazing)
Fasten your seatbelts (FD8.get the date alias with the bands .DA shit!!)
Invasion
Weekend Trip
Play stop rewind
Baybeats( as u progress newbies )
and beleive in YOURSELF! PASSION b4 Fashion !!
GET TIGHT N ROCK AND ROLL!!!
Theses guys do great publicizing and pride in their shows . some may not pay u but at least they never exploite..
dont sell your self to play.. music is a talent that is blessed..dont let your talent be abused.remember when they say that if you are true to yourself dont sell your music so easily.
I hope no one was offended. I said this from an honest heart. Lets shine together singapura. Enough of the politics among bands already. Help each other out . A newbie ask for advice dont be a rockstar and shrug it away. Take a minute of your time to the dude who watched you. If he ask for help try your best and give some advice . but if you cant oblige, refuse obligingly . SMILE SINGAPORE!!
Good luck on the rockin scene. any questions if you feel u are being taken advantage of by organisers . shoot here. i'll give my point of view . peace. !
Today i decided to leave one . For some , you might think against me and for some we might merge in tought.
i recently went for a gig * i am not stating which one* to support a friend who just got his second new gig. He is a newbie in the scene who is schoolin and getting pocket money from his parents which is just enough maybe to get him a meal and coke on a hot day.
He has the enthusiasm and want to get his bands name out there. He was told to sell 25 tickets of $12 each to let his band SHOWCASE their talent to whoever came . He had to sign a contract stating that if he sold under 25 he had to pay for the excess amt. which was the tickets unsold. so he sold 15 tics and so he would have to pay 120 bucks of his own pocket money. which is enough to feed him well enough to not live on meal and coke for 1/2 a month honestly.
But there was the nice guy side of the organiser. if he sold anything abouve 30 he will get 50 bucks...
this is simple maths incase some are blind to see...
25 x 12 = $300 <---- organiser gets. anything under .. YOU PAY !!!
30 x 12 = $360 <--- organiser say good boy and gives you 50 bucks .WOW!!!
NOW DO THE MATH
360-50 = 310 <after giving you , this are his profits>
his percentage to you as a perfomer that jammed like hell to nail this gig is 7.2 : 1
which is basicly 72 % ass owned!! that is if you hit 30 too...
other than that you are 100 % owned
WHAT FORM OF BUISNESS IS THIS ? organisers wanna earn their money well give them back
the only reason you are doing this is to ensure a turn out . and the only reason you ask for tickets unsold to be paid is coz you want to cover you ass in paying club their fee before you have to take something out of your own pocket .
Shouldnt you who is doing all their minimal showcassing and publicizing work at the same time channeling all the risk to them and GETTING ALL THE PROFITS be selling those tickets then??
Isnt it your job to ensure these tickets are sold and not getting bands involved?
what right do you have? if you beleive in showcassing these bands at least do it with a good heart and not put their wallents at risk. Do you realise they bring in the crowd?
Back in this gig i went for was a horrible sound system and no turn out other than bands and their friends maybe 1 or 2. imagine how many were placed to this option.
HERE IS MY 2 CENTS WORTH BANDS
to hell with these organisers you know who they are ?
here is what you guys can do.
1. Post on soft.com asking for New bie bands to come forward. Hell of alot will come!!! either a post or a pm.
2.Ask them if they would like to join together to do a gig among new bie bands
3.Call one abang abang band in scene and ask them if they would like to play. if they dont then carry on still..
4,get the list
5.Approach a Club/pub
6.Let them know your idea
7.Give them a date that you want it held.
8. 8 is a beautiful number and a smart clever point. If you are playing for those jerked off organisers that are asking you to buy 25 tickets just to play . Which is 300 bucks confirmed will come out if you dont sell. mind my singlish.
get 5 bands . 150 each . 150 bucks * 5 = 750 .
you got 750 bucks to do a kick ass gig.
9. try ways and means how the pub can work deal around that money . Or book a place for a while for that price or do profit sharing of drinks with the place. tell them you will bring in the crowd to buy a drink. get the date alias with the bands / alocate times.
10: Tell all your friends there is a free gig.
11.Post an ad on soft stating the free gig and receiving support,
12. You had fun , Saved alot of money , Got to know new bands , and got laid!!)
There are great organisers outthere guys . you just have to email them and keep jamming to be tight with a decent demo. Use that money you are paying these kinda gig organisers.
some of my trust are .
Deafcon (amazing)
Fasten your seatbelts (FD8.get the date alias with the bands .DA shit!!)
Invasion
Weekend Trip
Play stop rewind
Baybeats( as u progress newbies )
and beleive in YOURSELF! PASSION b4 Fashion !!
GET TIGHT N ROCK AND ROLL!!!
Theses guys do great publicizing and pride in their shows . some may not pay u but at least they never exploite..
dont sell your self to play.. music is a talent that is blessed..dont let your talent be abused.remember when they say that if you are true to yourself dont sell your music so easily.
I hope no one was offended. I said this from an honest heart. Lets shine together singapura. Enough of the politics among bands already. Help each other out . A newbie ask for advice dont be a rockstar and shrug it away. Take a minute of your time to the dude who watched you. If he ask for help try your best and give some advice . but if you cant oblige, refuse obligingly . SMILE SINGAPORE!!
Good luck on the rockin scene. any questions if you feel u are being taken advantage of by organisers . shoot here. i'll give my point of view . peace. !