funktastic
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do NS's kill sustain?
i just tried a NS and when i turned the trash hold higher, the sustain doesn't last as long.
i just tried a NS and when i turned the trash hold higher, the sustain doesn't last as long.
Noise Suppressor kills sustain?
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Crawldaddy
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Hmm.
Questions:
1. Are you using any form of drive from pedals / amp?
2. If you are using drive from pedal(s), is this noise suppressor placed before or after your drive or is the drive within the noise suppression loop?
3. How much gain did you set your pedal / amp gain to?
Questions:
1. Are you using any form of drive from pedals / amp?
2. If you are using drive from pedal(s), is this noise suppressor placed before or after your drive or is the drive within the noise suppression loop?
3. How much gain did you set your pedal / amp gain to?
funktastic
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well i'm using the noise suppressor in my multieffect.
so the chain of effects can't really be decided by me.
i used the muff effect in the multieffect and the gain is about 4o'clock. its almost max.
so the chain of effects can't really be decided by me.
i used the muff effect in the multieffect and the gain is about 4o'clock. its almost max.
Crawldaddy
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Hmm.
Ah.. noise suppressor in the multi-efx unit itself. hahah a little out of my league then. Have only dealt with the NS unit in pedal form personally.
Ah.. noise suppressor in the multi-efx unit itself. hahah a little out of my league then. Have only dealt with the NS unit in pedal form personally.
penta-tonic
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all noise suppressors kill sustain. but that isnt an end to it. its not a perfect world so we cant do insane amts of gain then have a magic tool which wipes out all the unwanted noise.
but heres a piece of advice i can offer. u must find a balance or compromise.
u use super high gain, ull have to set higher lvls of gating to remove more noise which would result in less sustain.
or u lower down the gain which would make u lower down the gate lvls which i always prefer. sometimes less is more and this helps when ure lowering the gate lvls.
but heres a piece of advice i can offer. u must find a balance or compromise.
u use super high gain, ull have to set higher lvls of gating to remove more noise which would result in less sustain.
or u lower down the gain which would make u lower down the gate lvls which i always prefer. sometimes less is more and this helps when ure lowering the gate lvls.
funktastic
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so its a matter of give and take with sustain and gain when it coms to the NS...
guess its not my setup then. glad to know that.
just wondering, will a sustainer help to increase the sustain?
guess its not my setup then. glad to know that.
just wondering, will a sustainer help to increase the sustain?
PatheinRaindropMoe
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sustainer doesnt sustain, it compressed, even out dynamic of your notes, to give impression of sustain. Hehe, blame it on boss for naming their pedal with that sustainer thingy and also the predecessor, roland sustanier, AS-1.
sustain, to a certain extend, depend on the material/construction of the geetar, setup(pickup, nuts, bridge, setting up of instrument blah blah blah etc) and volume of playing. Its made up of different factors, definitely not from a pedal. Effect pedal can only compliment what is already present in the instrument, and not do magic to add in much of whats not there in first place.
Any form of improvement of sound heard in an instrument when processed by any effect, is because of the effect processing and not the actual instrument improvement. Heh, its might seem minor, but theres a big different.
Anyway, above just imho. Important thign is to try as much as possible and find the best possible solution for the right context.
sustain, to a certain extend, depend on the material/construction of the geetar, setup(pickup, nuts, bridge, setting up of instrument blah blah blah etc) and volume of playing. Its made up of different factors, definitely not from a pedal. Effect pedal can only compliment what is already present in the instrument, and not do magic to add in much of whats not there in first place.
Any form of improvement of sound heard in an instrument when processed by any effect, is because of the effect processing and not the actual instrument improvement. Heh, its might seem minor, but theres a big different.
Anyway, above just imho. Important thign is to try as much as possible and find the best possible solution for the right context.
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funktastic
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thanks pathein. i get it. guess i gotta try moreeee stuff then
I use the NS-2 in moderation. I set my threshold at just before 12 o'clock.....and zero decay. I still get my sustain while at the same time my noise is reduced. Then again, I use my dirt pedals in the loop (TS808, Crunchbox, Tubezone). I always find using the loop to be more effective in cutting the noise. Do you put the mfx in the loop, or just after it?
Gr3y
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i'll go with shredcow.
i never like how the ns or "sustainer" pedals works.. they just makes the sound so unnatural. noise is good if you know how to control them. Most of the time, it's the improper technique that caused the noise and not the gain.Because when the gain or lever goes up, the sensitivity of the whole guitar goes up too. So small little things becomes huge.I say learn to cope them first and you might find ns or sus pedal redundant.
i never like how the ns or "sustainer" pedals works.. they just makes the sound so unnatural. noise is good if you know how to control them. Most of the time, it's the improper technique that caused the noise and not the gain.Because when the gain or lever goes up, the sensitivity of the whole guitar goes up too. So small little things becomes huge.I say learn to cope them first and you might find ns or sus pedal redundant.
funktastic
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the boss-me50 inbuilt noise gate is the NS. hahaha. hence i'm asking about it and i don't have 2 NS's. that would be tooooooo much already.
and about the arrangement of gear. there isn't much to arrange. it's just amp-->multieffect--> guitar. hahaha. so i doubt i could do much to the arrangement. my gain is set about 3o'clock. but i'm just using the muff effect, nothing superbly heavy.
with regards to the technique i get quite a hum from the distortion when i'm not touching the guitar. its just being left there without me playing at all, hence i use the ns to reduce the hum.
thanks for all the help guys! really appreciate all the enlightenment you guys are bestowing on me.
and about the arrangement of gear. there isn't much to arrange. it's just amp-->multieffect--> guitar. hahaha. so i doubt i could do much to the arrangement. my gain is set about 3o'clock. but i'm just using the muff effect, nothing superbly heavy.
with regards to the technique i get quite a hum from the distortion when i'm not touching the guitar. its just being left there without me playing at all, hence i use the ns to reduce the hum.
thanks for all the help guys! really appreciate all the enlightenment you guys are bestowing on me.
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funktastic
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a Gibson Les Paul standard 06
PatheinRaindropMoe
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if possible, check for grounding, from geetar to gear to amp. After that, see if theres any flourescent lamp, crt monitor nearby when playing the geetar.
Sometime, when geetar on clean, one might not be able to hear the hum, but with distortion, the signal is push up so high that whatever hum that we cant hear initially, will be amplifed to a level that its really obvious.
Sometime, when geetar on clean, one might not be able to hear the hum, but with distortion, the signal is push up so high that whatever hum that we cant hear initially, will be amplifed to a level that its really obvious.
funktastic, its going to be hard to offer a spot-on diagnostics but ... well... try to do the checks we're recommending - who knows? You might solve the noise issue and NS no more!
I'm not sure if its the gain settings on your ME-50 since (I thought) most multi-efx units are (un)usually quiet. Are you running multiple gain patches together? Like gain 1 into gain 2 and so on?
I'm not sure if its the gain settings on your ME-50 since (I thought) most multi-efx units are (un)usually quiet. Are you running multiple gain patches together? Like gain 1 into gain 2 and so on?
Ized
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Hmm that kinda explains everything..... kinda wierd though cos i remember most multiefx are quiet.....
funktastic
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i guess it could be grounding. there isn't any crt monitors or florescent lamp nearby. i think my amp's a 2 pin so it's probably not grounded.
and about the running of gain patches. its just gain-->modulation-->delay nothing more than one gain.
i think its most probably the grounding cos it only happens when i have kinda high gains. when i'm on clean or lower gains. there isn't much hum.
and about the running of gain patches. its just gain-->modulation-->delay nothing more than one gain.
i think its most probably the grounding cos it only happens when i have kinda high gains. when i'm on clean or lower gains. there isn't much hum.