LINE 6 X3 LIVE/X3 Officially Released
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MadWerewolfBoy
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the pod sounds like shit. thats what i'm not saying...
i do not doupt the pod's potential to sound like any artist on earth... what i'm saying is that since multi efx are such complex units, there are some things the boss flagship multi efx has which the pod doesn't and vice versa...
we're comparing at a shoot out lvl where people are mroe interested to know which lacks what compared to the other... we're like comparing synth keybords eg roland's juno G and korg's TR...
similar products, similar prices, almost similar capabilities but some features make people prefer 1 over the other...
i agree it is subjective when it comes to terms like "better" or "worse" but some things are facts... maybe if we share about them, we'll help each other know what the other product is capable of...
after all, i'm sure none of us endorse boss nor line6, so there's no reason to get over protective of one product over the other... i'm just worried that some things become over-hyped which would mislead a lot of people...
i have more experiences with boss gt8 cuz i've used a few units before,
for one, i know that some gt-8 modulation efx are responsive to a player's picking dynamics (eg, the harder the picking, the more the modulation kicks in). its due to this circuit:
http://www.bosscorp.co.jp/products/en/GT-8/details.html
and its a bonus. does the pod have this feature?
for another, there's no computer interface for the gt8 for which u can import/export patches or do usb recording etc, which i understand the pod has, so, that's a bonus for pods
thrid, i've mentioned earlier, the gt8 allows u to sequence all ur efx how u want them to be. eg: od before comp, or comp before od... but i doupt it allows u to use the same efx twice, eg: eq,comp,eq,od,eq,amp... a bonus and a limitation. what's the pod's variation of this feature?
fourth, the gt8 has quite a few crappy od and dist tones but there're some good non-digital sounding ones too. i couldn't seem to tweak it to sound like my modded-mt2 into modded ds-1 for the time i was using it but i guess there must be a setting which would come close. how about the pod? judging by how i can cover almost every artist's tone, i'm guessing that it would have no problem emulating a keeley ds-1 or a monte allum trigain ds-1/mt2?
as a musician and a consumer, i'm just interested to get what duits me best, and more knowledge abou all products would make me buy more logically... the way the x3 is hyped up on the line6 site can't be trusted... so no gas for me yet until i know what its about...
making some clips may help but i'm sure every1 is more interested in producing a wider array of sounds from a $800 to $1k unit than "some clips"
i do not doupt the pod's potential to sound like any artist on earth... what i'm saying is that since multi efx are such complex units, there are some things the boss flagship multi efx has which the pod doesn't and vice versa...
we're comparing at a shoot out lvl where people are mroe interested to know which lacks what compared to the other... we're like comparing synth keybords eg roland's juno G and korg's TR...
similar products, similar prices, almost similar capabilities but some features make people prefer 1 over the other...
i agree it is subjective when it comes to terms like "better" or "worse" but some things are facts... maybe if we share about them, we'll help each other know what the other product is capable of...
after all, i'm sure none of us endorse boss nor line6, so there's no reason to get over protective of one product over the other... i'm just worried that some things become over-hyped which would mislead a lot of people...
i have more experiences with boss gt8 cuz i've used a few units before,
for one, i know that some gt-8 modulation efx are responsive to a player's picking dynamics (eg, the harder the picking, the more the modulation kicks in). its due to this circuit:
http://www.bosscorp.co.jp/products/en/GT-8/details.html
and its a bonus. does the pod have this feature?
for another, there's no computer interface for the gt8 for which u can import/export patches or do usb recording etc, which i understand the pod has, so, that's a bonus for pods
thrid, i've mentioned earlier, the gt8 allows u to sequence all ur efx how u want them to be. eg: od before comp, or comp before od... but i doupt it allows u to use the same efx twice, eg: eq,comp,eq,od,eq,amp... a bonus and a limitation. what's the pod's variation of this feature?
fourth, the gt8 has quite a few crappy od and dist tones but there're some good non-digital sounding ones too. i couldn't seem to tweak it to sound like my modded-mt2 into modded ds-1 for the time i was using it but i guess there must be a setting which would come close. how about the pod? judging by how i can cover almost every artist's tone, i'm guessing that it would have no problem emulating a keeley ds-1 or a monte allum trigain ds-1/mt2?
as a musician and a consumer, i'm just interested to get what duits me best, and more knowledge abou all products would make me buy more logically... the way the x3 is hyped up on the line6 site can't be trusted... so no gas for me yet until i know what its about...
making some clips may help but i'm sure every1 is more interested in producing a wider array of sounds from a $800 to $1k unit than "some clips"
MadWerewolfBoy
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endorsing line6? :lol:
Rossie
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No lah, I mean, no need to start a debate about this la...
Won't get anywhere...
This thread is just to tell everyone about the new X3 and if anyone wants to post something, please keep it on topic...
Thanks for your understanding!
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Back on topic:
I like the fact that you can run two inputs into the X3 and run them through two separate rigs! This is very very very convenient for me as I no need to run my piezo output through the PA or another amp and then balance the volume, same goes to the talkbox, just input my mic into the input and everything is done! No more gaduh-gaduh with soundman! lol...
Won't get anywhere...
This thread is just to tell everyone about the new X3 and if anyone wants to post something, please keep it on topic...
Thanks for your understanding!
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Back on topic:
I like the fact that you can run two inputs into the X3 and run them through two separate rigs! This is very very very convenient for me as I no need to run my piezo output through the PA or another amp and then balance the volume, same goes to the talkbox, just input my mic into the input and everything is done! No more gaduh-gaduh with soundman! lol...
MadWerewolfBoy
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its not a debate or an argument of which is better... not some war movie like 300 or sumthing man...
here's the scenario:
there's this new product coming out, won't people wonder what's it about it that other pedals don't have? or what it lacks compared to other pedals? maybe we don't have a unit currently to try out and compare, but from the webby and the previous product, the xt live, we can make some logical deductions on what this monster is capable of..
i'm just trying to save people from mindless gas man... i mean, it's marketed as a monster on the manufacturer's site... no body have tried it yet and i see some people already planning to sell their xt live asap to get the 1st few x3 live... without knowing fully how it compares to what they have... and will they even use it...
not dissing the x3 live.. but more of trying to curb the hype.. "WOO $1k ultimate monster multi efx pedal which owns everything else in the market!! monster! ultimate! expensive! pro! tone! argh!!! GASSS!!!!"
here's the scenario:
there's this new product coming out, won't people wonder what's it about it that other pedals don't have? or what it lacks compared to other pedals? maybe we don't have a unit currently to try out and compare, but from the webby and the previous product, the xt live, we can make some logical deductions on what this monster is capable of..
i'm just trying to save people from mindless gas man... i mean, it's marketed as a monster on the manufacturer's site... no body have tried it yet and i see some people already planning to sell their xt live asap to get the 1st few x3 live... without knowing fully how it compares to what they have... and will they even use it...
not dissing the x3 live.. but more of trying to curb the hype.. "WOO $1k ultimate monster multi efx pedal which owns everything else in the market!! monster! ultimate! expensive! pro! tone! argh!!! GASSS!!!!"
MadWerewolfBoy
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yes, the buy/sell forums
that's y people like me like people like u... not that i'm gay... :wink:
it's not about the "tone tone tone" if u haven't noticed what i'm driving at...
a multi efx has many combination of tones... surely we would like at least 1 particular setting? and if i can't get at least 1 good tone out of a multi efx that cost this much, i might as well ebay my guitar and amp off and kill myself..
it's the features i want to objectively compare... not some midless subjective comparision with, nothing.. is there something wrong with this on a thread like that?
that's y people like me like people like u... not that i'm gay... :wink:
it's not about the "tone tone tone" if u haven't noticed what i'm driving at...
a multi efx has many combination of tones... surely we would like at least 1 particular setting? and if i can't get at least 1 good tone out of a multi efx that cost this much, i might as well ebay my guitar and amp off and kill myself..
it's the features i want to objectively compare... not some midless subjective comparision with, nothing.. is there something wrong with this on a thread like that?
THOA
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+1 madwerewolfboy.
I had earlier mentioned in this thread that I am looking to get the XTlive once people start selling theirs to get this, and true enough I received a pm wanting to sell me his! I shall not mention who it is. Not that there is anything wrong with GAS, but a little premature to rush off selling the current one you have to get something that has yet to be available in SG for preview yet. (To said person: Bro, I will consider it. Thanks for the offer man
)
Going off topic is something common in here, anyway. :lol:
Hmm, GT-8 or POD XT Live (or XT 3 Live).
Without the dissing of one product and glorifying of another, objective comparisons help. Of course tone is something that needs to be HEARD to compare, but other than that, nothing wrong with comparing other physical features. Madwerewolfboy brought up at least one advantage XT has over GT-8: the computer interface that XT has that GT-8 doesn't. That is important for people like me, who is using the computer to make a bulk of my music, to consider.
It's part of researching about the products available before narrowing down our choices. Save the hassle of going and trying EVERYTHING. Save time. Save money
I had earlier mentioned in this thread that I am looking to get the XTlive once people start selling theirs to get this, and true enough I received a pm wanting to sell me his! I shall not mention who it is. Not that there is anything wrong with GAS, but a little premature to rush off selling the current one you have to get something that has yet to be available in SG for preview yet. (To said person: Bro, I will consider it. Thanks for the offer man
)Going off topic is something common in here, anyway. :lol:
Hmm, GT-8 or POD XT Live (or XT 3 Live).
Without the dissing of one product and glorifying of another, objective comparisons help. Of course tone is something that needs to be HEARD to compare, but other than that, nothing wrong with comparing other physical features. Madwerewolfboy brought up at least one advantage XT has over GT-8: the computer interface that XT has that GT-8 doesn't. That is important for people like me, who is using the computer to make a bulk of my music, to consider.
It's part of researching about the products available before narrowing down our choices. Save the hassle of going and trying EVERYTHING. Save time. Save money
KennethC
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The computer interface issue can be resolved by using a midi-usb cable for the GT8, plus one can get the GT-8 editor software (non-proprietary) from bossgtcentral.com for free I believe. It was created by one of the forumites there.
However, this combi is probably nowhere as handy as the POD..which has in-built USB capabilities and the software designed and tweaked for consumers' use.
I have both the GT-8 and the XT Live(borrowed) at home now, and whilst both are nice, I find the GT-8 giving a slightly more organic-sounding Distortion tone than the XT Live. I hope the X3 will offer an improvement over this, just as a bonus to its already attractive features. The XT Live's physical interface does seem easier to use, and it's less challenging to sieve thru all the amp/stomp/mod/delay models that are in there and tweak out a sound that you want. Having said that, I've gotten down to tweaking both units w/o any reference to the manuals, so they prob aren't all that difficult to use. Dabbling with individual stompboxes has done me good, prepping me with a gd idea of what I want out of the multi efx unit.
I am waiting to see what the X3 can offer in reality...will pounce on it if I like it. =)
However, this combi is probably nowhere as handy as the POD..which has in-built USB capabilities and the software designed and tweaked for consumers' use.
I have both the GT-8 and the XT Live(borrowed) at home now, and whilst both are nice, I find the GT-8 giving a slightly more organic-sounding Distortion tone than the XT Live. I hope the X3 will offer an improvement over this, just as a bonus to its already attractive features. The XT Live's physical interface does seem easier to use, and it's less challenging to sieve thru all the amp/stomp/mod/delay models that are in there and tweak out a sound that you want. Having said that, I've gotten down to tweaking both units w/o any reference to the manuals, so they prob aren't all that difficult to use. Dabbling with individual stompboxes has done me good, prepping me with a gd idea of what I want out of the multi efx unit.
I am waiting to see what the X3 can offer in reality...will pounce on it if I like it. =)
Whitestrat
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Actually, I kinda regret buying the POD XT Live... Not because it's crap, but because I never use it for jams. I'm a pedals person, and I only use the POD for recording at home. So, maybe I should have bought the desktop version with expression pedals...
But considering its ease of use, and the recorded tones are actually quite good (without having to spend insame amounts of money to get the same or SLIGHTLY better sounds with real equipment), I'd say this isn't too shabby a product.
So I would be looking forward to the PODX3, but the desktop version. Might sell my XTL in the time being... But only because I think I might have bought the wrong version to begin with. Heheheh...
KennethC
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Whitestrat, any reason why you haven't used the XT Live for jams?
my experience with my GT8 is that it doesn't really cut thru the mix in a band context. It might be the case that more tweaking is needed, but I never had that issue with my stompboxes, ever.
The GT8 and XT Live sound so good at home, thru my Hot Rod Deville, and also thru my headphones!
As with Whitestrat, I might go for the desktop version instead.
my experience with my GT8 is that it doesn't really cut thru the mix in a band context. It might be the case that more tweaking is needed, but I never had that issue with my stompboxes, ever.
The GT8 and XT Live sound so good at home, thru my Hot Rod Deville, and also thru my headphones!
As with Whitestrat, I might go for the desktop version instead.
Whitestrat
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Well, the PODXT Live is meant to be a modelling gadget. I don't usually want my sound to sound like anyone else or anything else. I don't hope to turn a Roland Jazz Chorus into a JCM2000, because, honestly, that's NOT possible, no matter how good the POD is. It's meant to be a home recording device, and that's what it always has been, and always will be. Unless you happen to plug it into a PA system, then you might have something there.
For those who think that the POD kills your tone, does this sound like more tweaking is needed?
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=753161
100% POD XT Live, and on Fender Strats with Kinmans too! :lol: (excuse the horrible playing hor... It was all done in one afternoon cos I was experimenting with the POD) - Oh, but one of the track features the EBMMJP6 as well, but I think the strat sounds better...
I believe that these devices do their job very well for home recording. It saves me a bundle. But honestly, expecting it to do as well as a full sized rack LIVE is like thinking a souped up Honda Civic 2.0 is as good as a Type-R.
I might end up eating my own words. I just remembered, that if you were to buy the desktop version, then if you wanted expression pedals, you'll have to pay more too. Actually, we already HAVE the desktop version: Our PCs. I forgot we can use the Gearbox software or the Guitarport software to tweak the POD without even having to touch it physically... Ok ok... I take it back. I might stick to the PODXTLive now that Iv'e already bought it... heh.
BUT, one compelling reason for me to get the X3, is that it has bass amps, and can handle a bass guitar as well, which means I can also record bass lines with it. The current POD is limited in that aspect... heh. :wink:
KennethC
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So because you don't want to sound like anyone/thing, you don't use it live, but use it for recording...? So you usually want to sound like someone/something when you're recording? Or are u saying that u'd only use the POD since you don't have the luxury of actual equipment at home? Like u mentioned, going direct to the PA system might do better.
Taken from the Line6 webby:
"POD® XT Live is an uncomplicated, gig-ready tone machine that’s portable and adaptable to different real world stage and recording environments.."
Seems like the XT Live WAS intended for real stage usage as well. Whether or not it holds its own is another matter altogether.
Still doesn't seem to cut thru the mix for me. I'm trying to find out why.
Who mentioned the POD was killing the tone? Cutting thru the mix doesn't mean the tone sucks, not to me at least. That was POD on home recording. I was talking abt POD live.
The main draw of the x3 live for me is its capacity for 2 guitars rigs, meaning I won't have to change efx settings when i switch over to my humbucker guit from my strat, and I won't need to unplug my strat in the process as well.
Whitestrat
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When you play though any amp, your tone is coloured already. That's why I think having a pure source straight from pedals to the amp is the best sound I can hear. But at home, when you record with the POD, you don't need amps. Just connect it via USB, and use the built-in amps, which you can still tailor your sound to. That's why I don't like to use it LIVE.
Basically, I'm lazy... whahahaha... :lol:
Well, don't always believe what you read... :wink: Some people might be able to get a good live sound from it in a gig. I, for some reason, can't.
There are a lot of naysayers everywhere who claim this. Even right on this forum.
capt_oreo
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Have been reading some very gd comments here, i think it will really help all those who are looking to venture into multi effects.
i personally have been using the pod xt live for a long while and i guess at the end of the day if it serves you well and suits your needs, nothing much to debate about then. To direct back to the topic at hand, i am excited at the new pod coming out. It has not failed me so far, i know what it can do for me...im defitnitely waiting to buy the new one and just see it as an upgrade.
and yes i will sell my current xt live in the process....
i personally have been using the pod xt live for a long while and i guess at the end of the day if it serves you well and suits your needs, nothing much to debate about then. To direct back to the topic at hand, i am excited at the new pod coming out. It has not failed me so far, i know what it can do for me...im defitnitely waiting to buy the new one and just see it as an upgrade.
and yes i will sell my current xt live in the process....
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