Kawai, Yamaha or other brands?

I asked that sale person, he said they did that once, brought a teacher to the warehouse & opened up the 3 grand piano for her to try. In the end, she also can't tell the different. What this sale person trying to tell me is that all Yamaha makes are very consistance. The piano are all as good.

hahaha ..... believe me ... because they bring in the wrong teacher ....
i dare to say that the teacher they're mentioning about has no knowledge about piano at all .... (maybe just a grade 8 teacher??) ... so many teacher is a fluke .... sorry to say and to admit ...

and .... yamaha grands .... ehem ... yes .. i proclaim to the whole world ... IS NOT CONSISTENCE at ALL!!! ..... i can prove it .... lay down 5 grands in front of me .... and i tell you what the difference is between each of them
i've played so many c2s and c3s ... and all of em is different .. hahaha

again ... let me scold the sales .... hahahahaha


oops .. ok lah .... it's not about the sales .... but .. every piano is different, trust me ... =)
 
piano_ex Posted

ah .... where to try those yamaha CVP and CLP ya? .. the high ends one ... =)

I was at Plaza Sing Yamaha, so I went to take a look at the CLP & CVP. OMG! How do you guys operate these 'machine'!! They look so complicated to me 8O. Unlike piano, I just need to open & close the cover....:oops:. My elder had a good time though, she played her pieces in all the different programmed instructments.


DoubleBlade Posted:

In piano_expert we trust.

I'm so glad to come to the right place! Thanks guys!!
 
the CLP are good the high end ones i mean,. for 6K now its a good catch. the sound is ultra realistic too. if your daughter only wish to play piano pieces for it , do consider the CLP you might not need the other funcitions, but just the sound and touch of it could beat most acoustic upright within that price range so why not?

hmmms the CLP 309 keys are also wooden . it might be alike that of the MODUS.

okay i have my opinions to the yamaha grands though.

well for grand piano i feel , the same with every model of upright piano, there is never a same and excat one, thats because the wood although the similar type might be obtain in different ways, and also the to build a grand out of nothing require the skills of the piano makers as well. so for example a yamaha grand C1 , the model might be the same, so does the procedures of making it,the materials of making it, but the outcome would definately be different as it depends on many factors as well, say temperature? i do not really know alot about this so its like my assuptions do correct if i am wrong.

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now i really want to try those clp ...... lolx ... see whether it can bluff my ears or not ... =P


ah ... for the grand piano, yes ... there will never be a same one due to so many factors ..... but the basic point is that one ... even the material (wood) is already different ... for soundwise, it'll be because of the soundboard ..... different piece of wood combined together (which again .. different in each piano) .... of course will have different sound....


ps: the way they bend the wood to make that grand shape is very interesting actually ... ... ... it's really really hard ... need 4-5 man for that part .... heeeheee
 
Yamaha's digital piano sound one of the worst! Piano_ex, it will never fool anybody into believing it as a real piano! The only thing that made it more "real" is the their speaker system which is fortunately good. The reverberations gives a feeling of "realness". But the sound - sorry. Higher notes are always too tinkly. I don't know why Yamaha doesn't do an overhaul of their AWM or AWM2 piano sounds after all these years. No matter how they try (add in more velocity samples etc), it's still the same old thing. There is something inherently wrong with the sampling technique.

Roland is way more realistic than the Yamaha sound-wise. This goes beyond "personal preference". For any piano player, the difference is so obvious and the winner is so clear. Too bad Swee Lee doesn't bring in Roland digital uprights and grands. I've tried it in HK. There's just no competition. One doesn't have to go far - compare between the best they have (CP300 and RD700SX) or their best expansion boards, it's obvious which piano sound is better. Of course, Yahama's digital piano's touch still outclass Roland's (not surprising since Yamaha makes acoustic pianos), but once you go into the higher end digital grand, the touch difference between the two narrows considerably.

Well, for me, I've given up with hardware sounds long ago. Just got the 36 velocity/note Old Lady (Steinway D) from PMI. That completes my piano library - a simple upright piano, a 1923 Steinway D, a Bosendorfer 290 SE, a Malsmjo white grand, and a grand with no name recorded in a concert hall. From dark to bright for classical to jazz. Oh, actually, a Yamaha C7 will complete my collection.

Anyway, getting off topic again. But I feel I need to vent my frustrations on Yahama's digital piano sounds here since we're onto this...
 
hi all!! ... ahaha .. cheez ... relax! =)

anyway, i've tried the CVP and CLP todays ...

all the lower ends are simply inadequate for a classical player ... simply say, sucks =P

but the most advance one, which is CVP-409 (come 2 days ago the japanese lady say) is quite good ... the touch was quite nice, and the sound was quite okay also ...

i must say i'm not at all satisfied with even high ends of CLP though ... it's still so fakish .....

BUT BUT BUT!!! .... even the CVP-409 touch can't be compared to real grand pianos ....... the touch is simply .... fake .. even though they use real wood, but maybe the mechanism is still different? ...... i dunno ... it's just so fakish .... =)

but anyway ... it's still nice to own one, since the accompanying feature and variety of sound is quite amusing to just play around ...

if i have option, i want to own a roland KR-117M ..... AND a steinway concert grand .... wooohooooooo!!! =P no compromise .....

cuz even samples ah ... only satisfy my ears ... but not my touch .... =)
 
Roland KR117M is a beauty. Touch and sound-wise. If I were to get a digital grand, that would be the top choice indeed!

And yes, samples need to be complemented by good controllers with good touch. Combination of both will give the closest. But no matter how good the touch is, the digital piano doesn't have the hammers hitting the strings and the mechanics in between (from keys to strings). The touch will therefore never be the same. So we're stuck with what we have unfortunately.

If you get a Roland KR-117M, I'll invite myself to your place (when I'm back in Singapore, that is...) :D


Oh, did I mention before that I saw the Pegasus grand. Looks like a spaceship, but the entire key-board is actually curved from left to right. I don't know how on earth one can play like this. Saw the red version in HK. But they walled it off so I can't try it out, unfortunately.


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ahahaha ... cheez .. i wish i could afford that ...

but whenever i could!!! i definitely will buy it .... =)

(on top of a steinway concert grand and yamaha concert grand of course ... )

ps: my house need to be how big ah? ... omg .... -_-"

that pegasus grand is really a beauty ...... gosh .... =)
i'm glad that we're piano player ... rite guys?! ... hahaha
jus maybe that ... we dun have the money to buy it .. :roll:

cheez .... all of the cool thing u tried is in HK ... makes me wanna go there ...
where exactly u tried all those? and u saw them? ..... if i make a trip to HK .. i'll go to those places ...... =) ..
 
maybe i might be wrong to say this but well, theres no such gear which sufficient everyone needs, just like for example, the sound samples might be good and the touch not good and vice versa.

but we should be glad we live in this period of time that things are changing so quickly and innovatively.

lets just accept the gears that yamaha and all has produce and look forward for the upcoming betters one that we will still live to see : )

maybe taking a step back and seeing things we really shouldnt complain about those touch in yamaha CLP or etc, or the sound of it. thats because its through this people that we are bless to have such and close a realism to play in a as much a professional sounding enviroment as possible : )
 
piano-ex, I can't remember where I played those. But it's not Tom Lee. It's some large shopping center. They have lots of Roland and Yamaha digital pianos and a few Roland grands. I hope I can find that place again.
 
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no probs zenguan .... dun worry ... we're not really complaining ...we're discussing about the gear which still can't be compared to the real thing (which is very much true in a lot of senses)

but also not saying tat it's not a good gear =) (high ends only .. HIGH ENDS! .. =P )

yea ... in the end of the day ... if i'm performing and i have my option to choose, I'll still choose to play acousic grand piano + my synth ...

hahahaha .... sorry laah ... married with piano so many years already ... can't let her go that easily mah .... :P
 
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