just starting out on the MUSE-ic!

what madwerewolfboy is saying is that the power squeezer feature is only useful if u use ur amp distortion as it maximises sustain and gain even at low volumes. but since u're going to get ur tones from ur multi efx unit, the power squeezer feature will be of no use for u.

why get tones from ur multi efx unit? because since u said about gigging, it would be convenient if u just get ur tones from ur multi efx unit only so u dont have to lug around ur amp for gigs or jamming. most of us don't bring our own amps for jamming or gigs, unless those professional ones. so an amp with good cleans for base sound is enough.

difference btween the 15x,20x, 30x? speaker size, a tad of volume increase possible and features.
 
i keep seeing multiple "power squeezer" in ur earlier posts and i automatically subconsciously regarded that term as a marketing gimmick by roland and co.

with all due respect to the cube line of amps, they are good and all, but after checking out what the power squeezer is all about, well, it's a fancy name for a change of eq. in other words, it IS a marketing gimmick

the cube is a full solidstate amp, ie there are no tubes in the pre amp and post amp section of the circuit. "shrinking" the power amp (post amp) stage to two watts on a solid state amp. this process is something similar to a power attenuator, commonly used for tube amps whereby tube saturation is achieved and a dummy load is provided to get nice saturated tube overdrive / distortion sounds on low volumes.

but, it makes less sense to do this on a solidstate amp as there are no tube saturation to achieve. i don't study much electronics, and i don't know for sure how this power squeezer circuit is in the cube, but i guess that button activates an effect (chip) that EQ's the sound more than a circuit swap within the amp. playing a solidstate amp at lower volumes does not "nerf" ur sound significantly as compared to playing an all tube amp at lower volumes.

so please, dun keep quoting "power squeezer" >.<

it's a fancy name for an EQ component. might be similar to my creative soundcard's X-Fi EAX 24-bit crystallizer

keep ur options open if ur budget is limited, and get the cube 30x because it is good, not because of the power squeezer. i assure u it won't do much for u
 
I would have to agree with the rest! The power squeezer may not be what it's hyped-up to be (I say may since I've never tried it before) and I think that the orange crush 15r may be enough since it has quite a good reputation as well. It's also available at SV so you might want to give it a try.

You're right when you say the diff between the 300 and 400 are mainly cosmetics..the 400 comes with gold hardware and can be said to be the 'custom' variant of the Rally LP's. If you're not that much into looks, the 300 would suffice and you would have a better budget for your multifx unit..
 
lol,oh dear.another technical term...can someone explain to me what's solidstate and what's tube amp more detailedly and simplified?and how they differ???and how do i look for this when buying an amp?:confused:

(sorry to make you all repeatedly explain terms to me!but i've really learnt alot on this forums,given i haven't held a guitar in my hands before,lol!)

and i think i finally understand why/what MadWereWolfBoy is trying to say!well,about the tone thingy:)

sorry i didn't get it earlier but i hope i got it right this time.

so what i'm getting is actually setting me up for this connection:

play on guitar ---pick-ups "pick up" signal ---> multi fx receives signal, adds effects on signals ---sends signal to amps---> amps get the initial note played on guitar,with added-on effects and finally produces the sound i was trying to create

yes,yes,yes??:D i think i got it at last lol!

edit:after looking through your post,trying my best to understand the part about the tube/ss amp.i think what you're trying to say is the "power squeezer" is actually a feature provided in most tube amps!?
 
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I think TS might find this helpful!

http://guitarguru.blogspot.com/2005/02/tube-amps-vs-solid-state.html

Also,rather good choice on the G2.1U Multi Effects and the Rally GL-300...It's going to be worth it in the long run,as compared to just a Zvex Fuzz Factory(which many other MUSE cover players go for,then regret in the end,as they'll have to get various delay/distortion pedals,etc.)Just get patches from the Net for the sound you're looking for,and you're good to go!:cool:
The GL-300 is also great.Too bad I only laid hands on it after getting my Epiphone...Biggest regret ever(Both guitars were more or less of same standard and I dare even say the Rally was better given the price difference!)Should have dropped by SV first before going to Swee Lee!
 
bReakOuT! - ah that review haha sounds very biased toward tube amps. but when he asked the question, "Why do you think all those solid state emulator or modeling amps are all trying to emulate a TUBE AMP?" yeah kinda true certain tube tones are what we're aiming for

he doesn't give enough credit to solidstate amps that do exceptionally well in replicating tube tones at the fraction of a tube amp's price though. there are the peavey transtube series, roland cubes (http://soft.com.sg/forum/guitar-amp-reviews/13275-roland-cube-30-a.html), marshall micro stacks (http://theguitaraddict.blogspot.com/2008/05/marshall-mg15-msii.html), randall ninja (http://theguitaraddict.blogspot.com/2008/10/randall-ninja-combo.html) and a few gems from various other brands.

so take that article with a pinch of salt
 
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nah, most tube amps do not come with this feature. an external device called a power attenuator is used instead for this effect.

can see some egs at the bottom of this page:

http://www.amptone.com/powerattenuatorfaq.htm

oh...you're trying to tell me that power squeezer isn't an all that fascinating feature,and it's actually used the same way as power attenuators on other amps.did i get it right??:)
and then reading through theunknown's post where his trying to explain what you said earlier,i think i can piece the puzzle together at last.
so,all in all...trying to create the MUSE sound...i'll need(here's the last 5 pages of advice compiled into the paragraph below!:o)
-a guitar with humbuckers (here's the Rally GL-300)
-a multi effects unit where my distortion and other effects come from (this is the G2.1U by Zoom)
-an amplifier,and all it needs to do is amplify the signal from the pick-ups (erm,I guess I'll get a Sound Drive SG either the 10 or 15 [which is better for bedroom practise/occasionally live gigging?] )

PS:btw,meant to ask.how does that G2.1U work specifically in terms of "pedal-work".as in,when you step down on the pedal,does it act as an on/off switch only,or can you "scroll" through the different effects you have stored in the units?also,can you store more than one patch on board the G2.1U?cos' someone was telling me to get patches from some site,and then let's say if i want to play a gig,i want to have all the variety of MUSE sounds on my unit,so can i download everything on it?
lol!can't wait to play some songs with fuzz on!:mrgreen:
 
Oh.I didn't really read through.All I did was Google Tube AMP vs SS AMP and copy and paste the first link since it seemed lenghty enough to be informative enough for TS.Sorry,my bad,should have read through first!
Get the Sound Drive SG-15 for your amp.It is after all SV's top selling amp,as proclaimed on their site and the organisation of Overdrive/Clean/EQ on the amp's settings might make it easier for you to understand what each control is for.
I suppose the Zoom G2.1U does allow you to go through all the settings you have on your unit.The on/off happens when you step down on the pedal all the way.Other than that,how much you pressure you put on your pedal will determine your sound.
By the way,don't forget to get a tuner(An electric one,which is easy to use!Really convenient!) while you're at SV.You don't want to have all your gear needed,but then sound out of tune because you're strings are loose!

PS:If you had the money to spare,you'd have done good to get a Spider III from Line 6.Heard it has "MUSE" presets on it.Too bad,it isn't produced anymore according to Line 6's site!
 
mcuosver: yes. treat the attuenators as an additional volume outside of the amp. the amp can go all the way up in volume but still sound soft. why on tube amps? cause tube amps generally sound better when their volumes are high, unlike solid state ones.

"Patch Memory: User 40+Preset 40, Total 80" taken from zoom website. there is even a manual for u to download at the website. go look for it.
 
mcuosver: yes. treat the attuenators as an additional volume outside of the amp. the amp can go all the way up in volume but still sound soft. why on tube amps? cause tube amps generally sound better when their volumes are high, unlike solid state ones.

"Patch Memory: User 40+Preset 40, Total 80" taken from zoom website. there is even a manual for u to download at the website. go look for it.

oh...so that means the atteunators is specifically for tube amps,that can't sustain their sound at different volumes isit?meanwhile,ss amps have no use for them because they sound the same at all levels?:mrgreen:
 
haha i dont know much abt attenuators and tube amps, i cant help you much with the question..

but to keep it simple. an attenuator is like making a tube amp get a certain amount of gain and sustain and also to keep it at a low volume. because tube amps volumes need to be cranked in order to get some sweet tone.
just a quick read on wiki. search power attenuators up.

hmm about the zoom g2.1u . all the help is basically on the manual. its pretty much a whole bunch of pedals put together in a well.. pedal. HAHA. the zoom has knobs to control your gain, eq, modulation settings and volume. has buttons to select which type of sound and all.

if you are looking for an alternative to the roland cubes, i suggest an orange crush 15. it handles my pedals well and the built in overdrive is not bad too. not thin not fizzy.

btw you mentioned abt using this amp for gigging. if you're playing at school and they dont provide you amps, the orange crush is quite a good choice.
but gigging outside, they'll surely provide you amps, unless they told you they dont. hahaha.

eyy how hav u tried the stuff already?
the zoom g2.1u is sold at ranking music in bras basah and city music.
orange crush is sold at SV
 
haha i dont know much abt attenuators and tube amps, i cant help you much with the question..

but to keep it simple. an attenuator is like making a tube amp get a certain amount of gain and sustain and also to keep it at a low volume. because tube amps volumes need to be cranked in order to get some sweet tone.
just a quick read on wiki. search power attenuators up.

hmm about the zoom g2.1u . all the help is basically on the manual. its pretty much a whole bunch of pedals put together in a well.. pedal. HAHA. the zoom has knobs to control your gain, eq, modulation settings and volume. has buttons to select which type of sound and all.

if you are looking for an alternative to the roland cubes, i suggest an orange crush 15. it handles my pedals well and the built in overdrive is not bad too. not thin not fizzy.

btw you mentioned abt using this amp for gigging. if you're playing at school and they dont provide you amps, the orange crush is quite a good choice.
but gigging outside, they'll surely provide you amps, unless they told you they dont. hahaha.

eyy how hav u tried the stuff already?
the zoom g2.1u is sold at ranking music in bras basah and city music.
orange crush is sold at SV

lol,haha haven't...no time,now in the midst of O's...hate why MOE have to stretch it so long.i rather just finish it in one week and say goodbye to my sec school life there and then lol!
like that,i think tube amps -> amps that sound good @ high volume.then the attuneuators help to lower the amplified volume of the amp,keeping it low,but still retaining the sound that the tube amp would have produced at that high volume?so i guess,it's something like this.you set your tube amp @ let's say 11?just to get the best tone you can get out of it.then,with the power attenuator,you can lower the volume you actually hear when you play.so it won't be like playing @ normal 11 level.it'll be let's say 7/8,around there?haha:mrgreen:
what about ss amps?they sound good at all levels?how to tell btw?for eg. what amp is this?what type,i mean.
http://standardvalue.com.sg/store/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=86
and i think according to what the guys said earlier on,since im using pedals,all i need in an amp is an amp that sounds good clean.so,i think that's all i'm looking for in my amp.cos' from what i've learnt,the tone come from pedals.so just keep the amp on clean,then the rest let the pedals distort and so on.:cool:
 
mcuosver: yeah thats generally it. though it actually makes ur amp run on lower wattage. lets say u must have the amp at volume 10 on the volume knob and ur amp is 15 watts. the attuenator lets ur amp run on lower wattage, say 3watts. thus u can keep hav 10 on volume knob but running on 3 watts = lower volume but keep the tone.

SS amp is solid state basically amps that are NOT tube. no mention of tubes? then its solid state. yes the sound drive is SS.
 
mcuosver: yeah thats generally it. though it actually makes ur amp run on lower wattage. lets say u must have the amp at volume 10 on the volume knob and ur amp is 15 watts. the attuenator lets ur amp run on lower wattage, say 3watts. thus u can keep hav 10 on volume knob but running on 3 watts = lower volume but keep the tone.

SS amp is solid state basically amps that are NOT tube. no mention of tubes? then its solid state. yes the sound drive is SS.

haha,great thanks.so i'll get a rally gl-300,a g2.1u unit and that sound drive sg(supposedly good at low levels even?since it's SS).sounds fair?thanks for your replies!:cool:
 
Sounds good but I would try out the orange crush 15r too while you're at it, since its at the same place anyway! And see which one you would prefer
 
hey guys,sorry for reviving an "old" thread,but i think i don wanna waste thread space since this is related to this thread.
the g2.1u unit that you guys have recommended me...i think it doesn't come with whammy effects.does that mean i have to get a whammy pedal if i wanna play songs like uprising(according to the 16 Classic Amp & Stomp Box Models ) <---i think it means pre-set amp modes/pedals?
in fact,since i ask that.can i know what MUSE songs can the g2.1u actually reproduce?plug in baby,i know for sure,b'cos it has fuzz pre-set.so that would mean supermassive black hole,too!then...what other MUSE songs that you all know of,the g2.1u can produce?cos' not all the songs have patches uploaded on the net...in fact the patch site recommended(and others i have found) some pages back has very little MUSE songs uploaded,mostly repetitive.
 
hey guys,sorry for reviving an "old" thread,but i think i don wanna waste thread space since this is related to this thread.
the g2.1u unit that you guys have recommended me...i think it doesn't come with whammy effects.does that mean i have to get a whammy pedal if i wanna play songs like uprising

Whammy pedal = Very $_$ = prob not happening for you now D:
Unless you get a wah pedal which would prob be able to pull of what you need.
Ermmm uprising doesnt have a part with whammy in it?
 
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