industry standard

msuzuki

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i'm from a music-related course in a polytechnic and my faci keeps telling me about industry standard. like shure sm57/58 mics, sony mdr7506 headphones and protools.

are we supposed to use these industry standard equipment if we are doing stuff professionally or are they just the equipment most professionals use? and what else are industry standard equipment?
 
sure, every industry has a standard. In the audio recording world, mics lke shure 57/58 , neumann u87s , the DAW pro tools are standard. Most pro-studios will have them, but it doesnt mean they use it in all their projects. Basically, there are tons of products out there that rival so called "industry standards". Its up to one's personal preference . Competition is getting tougher these days and more value for money products are being churned out withotu comprimising on the quality. the shure 57 is a great product (industry standard) because it costs only 150SGD and with a decent preamp, it can be a damn good mic. almost every studio has em :D.
 
as far as music is concert.... there is onli one standard... the grammy...... at least that is the way i feel.... coz no matter how you go thru yr production process, normal consumer dun hv to know and most of them dun realli wan to know...

if yr song is gd(alot of element), and is a hit.... everyone will buy the cd and tix to watch the band....

serious.... it is all abt what u are comfortable with.... every engineer has their own values..

from the book call art of mixing by david gibson....
"No values are bad values, only if you do not have any values you do not belong in this industry"

:)

cheers
 
hmm i see, cause i've always wondered why professionals use protools. it costs a bomb and isn't really that great.

btw a facilitator is like a lecturer in my school, republic polytechnic. facis facilitate instead of teach, cause my school has a different method of learning called problem-based learning. i use the word everyday that i forgot people not from rp don't know it. sorry everyone!
 
the pro tools is a great audio editing software, however, if u are not into the TDM and HD systems, i rather use logic if ure on mac, or cubase. personally i love my SONAR on pc! the pro tools seriously lack some serious midi editing functions.
 
msuzuki

"a facilitator is like a lecturer in my school"

"i use the word everyday that i forgot people not from rp don't know it."

to answer your question, "faci" is your industry standard. ha...ha.. coz when you use the word, you and your comrade in RP will know what you are talking about.

to translate this into the audio world, it simply means something what the audio people will know.

i hope you will learn as much stuff as possible. one day, you will set the standard.
 
industry standard just means benchmark.

There are products that are above industry standard and products below.

For example the Shure Betas.
Every sound tech/eng has its own values and would prefer to use certain equipment. It may or may not conform to benchmarks.

At the end of the day, it is your job to make a recording sound good or better yet, sound better than expected.

Shure 57/58 are cheap, about SGD130 odd each.

And the sound quality I'd say is very good considering its price. Furthermore, you can also use it for instruments.

With the 57 being used for bassier instruments and 58 for more trebley instruments. But at the end of the day, you need to use both and see the outcome to indentify which you'd want to use.

You may even use both in the same recording.

Take myself for example, while recording guitar, I'd use a 57.

Guitar -> pedal board -> amp -> speaker cab -> SM57 -> mixer (direct out ) -> reverb/delay -> (mix to channel 2) -> wet/dry mix -> record

Maybe not the most effective, but I like the sound that I have a wet and dry mix for ambience.

Else I'd use a ribbon mic to capture the room sound.

Another thing is the shure 57s and 58s can take a beating.
 
if you would use protools in depth you will understand why protools is great.

if you are doing recording, most people prefered protools because of its wide range of plug in support, its extensive convient keyboards shortcut, its ability to manipulate audio using audio suite, and its ability to convert different output formats.

well of course there is more this are some that are more notable. : )

there are other softwares like logic sonar DP etc, protools might lack the midi ability of the rest of the DAW's but you got to know where's the potential of your DAW to use it well.

For example, to cover up for protools lack of MIDI abilities, i could use a SAMPLER progamme to make up for it such as that of REASON or KONAKT.
 
msuzuki : i'm not audio trained although I've been recording DIY freelance for the past half decade only. I can only tell you based on my opinion that those "industry standard" SM57/SM58 mics can be easily outdone by something newer like Audix i5 (nicknamed SM57 killer) HOWever, only possible if based on higher level of experience using them.

what I'm trying to say here is , mics are mics, they're made for a reason , to specialize in either recording an instrument or vocals and each have their own character.and they're widely manufactured and sold.can't be because of SM57 , the rest of the mics are shit?

so to me, mics like sm57/akg d112/neumann U87/sennheisser md-something tom mic for example. are "safe mics". which means widely/majority used by "industry's professionals". if you were to record a guitar cab with Shure SM57, seeking a "sweet spot" is way easier compared to using an Audix i5. but if you knew how to optimize use an audix i5 (it's sweet safe spot range is smaller) you'll know why it's nicknamed "SM57 killer" but does it mean you should stop using SM57 at all? to me I'd rather have both! (and i do)

thats why you'd probably hear this often : "it's not ONLY about what you have, but how you use it." if students use industry level protools. and professionals who produce kickass mixes come from cubase sx / cakewalk sonar (if in case you regard cubase/cakewalk as non-industry standard) , what does that mean to you? should you move on to cubase/ cakewalk? or should the pros move on to protools? or do you think now that DAWs are just DAWs. it's how comfortable you are with it. because it's what the final mix that counts. but just coming from me : industry standard - protools could easily mean , what major commercial companies are using, like TV/Radio station etc. no point learning a new software which no companies use.

as you can see from the rest of the replies, kithsa (another audio.eng.) is using ableton, tera is using cakewalk sonar, zenguan is using protools, someone here will be using cubase/nuendo and I am using cool edit pro 2.0 (the version before adobe audition). why the difference you ask? it's what we "grew up" with. pm them individually and i'm sure they have a history of how they started out that led to their current DAWs. So what if the Cool Edit is buggy and for "amateurs"? it's just a DAW medium and how you use it isn't it? if cool edit sucks, and cakewalk/cubase/protools is better, does it mean if I move on to those DAWs I'll automatically kick ass? I doubt so cos i rely alot of my trademark style in cool edit. I'll just start from ground zero when I mix on another DAW.

end of the day, audio engineers are like musicians but via mixer consoles and faders or mouse and keyboard. we have our own "weapon of choice" (guitar/bass/drums/vocals) , our own style of playing (finger bassist/or pick bassist) , our own "genre preference" (if you like pop music, there's a chance you might not enjoy what you're recording if you're doing a deathmetal band) and different level of commitment (hobbyist? full time commercial career?) just like bands/musicians.

50¢ worth.
 
msuzuki:

From another angle, your "faci"'s focus on your knowing "industry standards" is probably so that when you graduate and get into the mainstream audio/recording industry, you will know what people are talking about then they mention SM57/58, AKG 414, Neumanns or Pro-tools, etc, etc.
That way, the poly would have successfully made its graduates "relevant" to the industry! :P
Furthermore, "industry std" also means "compatibility" rather than BETTER QUALITY. So that if you record in a studio and bring it over to a Video house, knowing the "industry std" would allow your projects to be compatible from one place to another as, most of the time, your projects are due "DAY BEFORE YESTERDAY" kind of deadline!! :lol:

On the other side, just think of the "impression" the industry gets of a poly when their graduates don't even understand the "lingo" after 2-3 years in school and want to get into this industry! :roll:

QF
 
QF : ah yes, compatibility. I missed out that one cos I seldom wanna work with other recording studios. for some reason they record at 24bit/96khz and when I request for raw.wav tracks they give me the downsampled 16bit/44.1khz on purpose...

msuzuki : like what QF says, industry standard will mean you learn protools for the sake of what other production houses (places you may be intern-ing/working at) are using. the "protocol" . like how most of us speak english here. to be "in" this field you have to speak english also.

as for relevance and lingo.. i think it's up to the individual's own initiative to hands-on/catchup/readup/ask/and understand. even the noobies to the most professionals have to keep up with the times heheh.
 
blueprintstudios:
Irritating isn't it? When you ask for raw wave would mean you'd WANT the file in its original format and just like a what some photo studios do, they don't want to give you the originals! :x

QF
 
yes .. apparently it's an "industry insecurity standard".. they don't want you to make them look bad (in case you do a better mix) so they give you the crappiest WAV possible without appearing unreasonable.

lucky I practise record/mixing at 16/44.1khz now.. so this's as bad as it gets.
 
Industry Standard

mm... I think industry standard is just a standard set by some people in the industry who is more vocal or a particular product who won the most support from the people in the industry. there's never a standard. only a product that is widely use. just like in video broadcast, Avid is a industry standard. but when Final Cut Pro came out, Avid lost it support from video editors. then a war starts, Avid user would say FCP users is semi pro and FCP users would say Avid users are fools who paid so much for something they can buy 10 times lesser.

Sounds like DigiDesign ProTools and all the other users right.
 

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