Help needed on pedal choices.

[justheretolook]

the modded ds-1 is somewhat like the keeley ds-1, much more tighter sounding, and a tad heavier and louder than the original ds-1 sound, but not sure how heavy you're willing to go. if you're willing to splash the cash, get the seventheaven. my guitarist has one and its one hell of a fierce monster. if you know how heavy a big muff sounds like and how over-the-top it is, the seventheaven absolutely kills it. its $399 btw

 

[therealtheugene]

the modded ds-1 is somewhat like the keeley ds-1, much more tighter sounding, and a tad heavier and louder than the original ds-1 sound, but not sure how heavy you're willing to go. if you're willing to splash the cash, get the seventheaven. my guitarist has one and its one hell of a fierce monster. if you know how heavy a big muff sounds like and how over-the-top it is, the seventheaven absolutely kills it. its $399 btw

Thanks for the price there, definately considering that pedal.. would a seventhheaven + OD and DD do the trick? or would i need additional pedals such as a compressor or gate? sorry for the ignorance in this area, but prior to this, i always adopted a trial and error method when trying out for new sounds

 

[justheretolook]

if ur just using 3 pedals there is absolutely no need for a noise gate, just buy the noiseless Biyang adapter and the patch cables from TyMusic which is noiseless. as for compressor, im not too sure, you could try playing without the compressor and see whether you like it. as for the delay, since u mentioned DD, get a boss DD-3, or could try the Digitech Hardwire stereo delay

 

[therealtheugene]

if ur just using 3 pedals there is absolutely no need for a noise gate, just buy the noiseless Biyang adapter and the patch cables from TyMusic which is noiseless. as for compressor, im not too sure, you could try playing without the compressor and see whether you like it. as for the delay, since u mentioned DD, get a boss DD-3, or could try the Digitech Hardwire stereo delay

Very true where would be the best place to get me one of those seventhheaven pedals?

 

[justheretolook]

you could try to ask a softie name fehlupkid or goose for the email. i forgot luh haha.

 

[therealtheugene]

you could try to ask a softie name fehlupkid or goose for the email. i forgot luh haha.

that will do, thanks!

 

[justheretolook]

no problem. its a great journey finding your tone, so good luck

 

[therealtheugene]

no problem. its a great journey finding your tone, so good luck

Thanks, ive a feeling its gonna be a long one, gonna need all the help i can get

 

[Likui]

I also want to try the 7th heaven pedal
The wampler triple wreck is out of stock at sv guitars, stock will be in in 1 mths time. today i went to ask

 

[therealtheugene]

I also want to try the 7th heaven pedal
The wampler triple wreck is out of stock at sv guitars, stock will be in in 1 mths time. today i went to ask

You did mention earlier that the Wampler was good for rhythms... what kind of rhythms... the heavy or the not so heavy type haha

 

[Likui]

Heavy kind, erm like crunch kind of sound, erm err scoops sound, u know those sound where u up the bass and trebles ?

 

[therealtheugene]

Heavy kind, erm like crunch kind of sound, erm err scoops sound, u know those sound where u up the bass and trebles ?

not quite sure of the terminology, but is it heavy and tight? like a very full sound that you are able to cut straight away? btw what exactly is 'scoop'?

 

[Likui]

I also don't know how to say lol. your heavy and tight may not be the same as my heavy and tight must try out then u know lol. yes very full sound. scoop is err increase bass and treble lower mid, I think.
Like I say lah go shopping with me lol

 

[Cavett]

The Wampler Triple Wreck is heavy alrite but its not tight.. Lotsa loose bottom end and i really mean lots of bottom end which makes this pedal very "Triple Rectifier-ish".. Have never tested in a jamming/giggin context so I can't comment on how well it cuts through the band but pedal alone it sounds very good for metal..

If you are leaning more towards amp emulation, do check out AMT's R1, P1 and M1 pedals... Might find something you like there..

Hear so many good things about the 7thHeaven... Must try that pedal one day...

 

[PatheinRaindropMoe]

heh, to hear whats a scooped sound, listen to metallica ..and justice for all. The geetar sound in there is the perfect example of scooped mids.

If we see it from the view of a eq pedal, lets say a boss ge-7, to scoop it, just put a "v" shape across the slider, thus mids is much lowered down with the bass and treble pump edup.

Some would hear this kinda sound a a swarm of angry bees though, no definition, messy and easily causing ear fatique.

 

[xklusivly4u]

Recently I hunt down MIJ BOSS HM-2 heavy metal pedal of 80’s. This is a magic box. It’s not a distortion pedal but when you combine with over drive channel of the amp....OMG.

A bit of dirt in over drive channel of tube amp and distortion mid way, you can get these creamy solo tone of 80’s, think Skid Row "18 and life", Fair Warning "long gone", Zakk “No more tears”, very warm and clear sounding.
Increase the gain on both amp and pedal will drive you to Death and Nu Metal territory.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_death_metal

 

[therealtheugene]

I also don't know how to say lol. your heavy and tight may not be the same as my heavy and tight must try out then u know lol. yes very full sound. scoop is err increase bass and treble lower mid, I think.
Like I say lah go shopping with me lol

Haha i dont have that much free time to be 'shopping' and testing the pedals one by one, thats why im here, hoping to narrow down my choices to just a few, so i can just check em out and get em! haha

The Wampler Triple Wreck is heavy alrite but its not tight.. Lotsa loose bottom end and i really mean lots of bottom end which makes this pedal very "Triple Rectifier-ish".. Have never tested in a jamming/giggin context so I can't comment on how well it cuts through the band but pedal alone it sounds very good for metal..

If you are leaning more towards amp emulation, do check out AMT's R1, P1 and M1 pedals... Might find something you like there..

Hear so many good things about the 7thHeaven... Must try that pedal one day...

thanks for the recommendations!

heh, to hear whats a scooped sound, listen to metallica ..and justice for all. The geetar sound in there is the perfect example of scooped mids.

If we see it from the view of a eq pedal, lets say a boss ge-7, to scoop it, just put a "v" shape across the slider, thus mids is much lowered down with the bass and treble pump edup.

Some would hear this kinda sound a a swarm of angry bees though, no definition, messy and easily causing ear fatique.

Haha, i kinda get it now that you put it that way .

Recently I hunt down MIJ BOSS HM-2 heavy metal pedal of 80’s. This is a magic box. It’s not a distortion pedal but when you combine with over drive channel of the amp....OMG.

A bit of dirt in over drive channel of tube amp and distortion mid way, you can get these creamy solo tone of 80’s, think Skid Row "18 and life", Fair Warning "long gone", Zakk “No more tears”, very warm and clear sounding.
Increase the gain on both amp and pedal will drive you to Death and Nu Metal territory.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_death_metal

Wow thats cool, is that pedal still circulated around the second hand market? One thing i am quite particular are how muddy the sound would be after all the effects are up and running, especially since i play a 7-stringer, the low B tends to get muddy if i dont adjust the EQ just right..

 

[xklusivly4u]

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Wow thats cool, is that pedal still circulated around the second hand market? One thing i am quite particular are how muddy the sound would be after all the effects are up and running, especially since i play a 7-stringer, the low B tends to get muddy if i dont adjust the EQ just right..

It is still circulating in second hard market but won’t be cheap.
Muddy? It could be if you stack another over drive pedal with full volume. But depends on the settings of pedals, amp and EQ of your amp plus your guitar wood, pickup etc. generally it is neither muddy nor noisy. Just set distortion/over drive on each unit to low settings. I have been chasing for that 80’s tone for ages, tried many tube amps, amps + over drive, multi effect etc and never satisfy until I found this one. Bonus is I also got modern metal tone too

 

[MadWerewolfBoy]

Nooo!! Doood!! If you’re on a budget, get a Line6 pod X3 Live or Boss GT-10!! Haha you gotta come over to my place and try.. apart from all that I said on fb, can’t really describe how good it is except through youtube videos.

Glenn Delaune’s Joe Satriani Demo, just head straight to 7:55
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNyvbqzr87o&fmt=18

Glenn Delaune’s Steve Vai Demo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqp-cmxdsko&fmt=18

KillrBuckeye’s The Sound of Truth
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfWZJEeBxYE&fmt=18

Alex Cronex - In Space
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rO5EG8xWz7A&fmt=18

A lil’ pod x3 demo doing Forsaken by DT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzOpeBiXFAw&fmt=18

More Petrucci stuff with the x3 here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTtGV9gOXgQ&fmt=18
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgsteAOCkpI&fmt=18

Wither covered by a 7-stringer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GsalMgg_B0&fmt=18

I’m guessing this guy is using a Mesa Mark IIc+ to do this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMMEktgPU-Q&fmt=18

Octavarium Final solo Cover
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJVqq8eHO1A&fmt=18

This one is really good, it’s played over a guitar pro track, sounds like JP’s tone, but fall short because they layer multiple tracks in DT’s album
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzzxVyZ4rHY&fmt=18
Same dude doing Nightwish, demonstrates how tight the chugs can be if they’re set properly, notice how he changes to a totally different tone for the solo with a step of a switch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C808DBDDRqc&fmt=18

In the Presence of Enemies Part I Solo (could do a bit more EQ tweaking imo)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfORSFbZfpQ&fmt=18

ouverture 1928 (pretty close to the original tone, Aaron played much better than this btw haha)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SskTiPl7QCs&fmt=18

Glasgow Kiss solo (this setting is a lil creamier than the original tone, but still close)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6Zy5AH9T1Y&fmt=18

Glasgow Kiss (Boss GT-10 Modeling a Mesa Boogie Dual Rectifier, tweaked until shiokness)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKByjX0iSM0&fmt=18

And last but not least, some Dhalif clips (needa check with him if he was using his x3 for these videos, but I’m guessing it’s a high probability that line6 gear was used lol)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SRExvcJoaI&dmt=18
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=di90OvX0H2k&fmt=18
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lp3QLd3KPKA&fmt=18

Hope you have the time to go through all these vids (heh I took time to find them ah!) and perhaps they may or may not make you realize what the two flagship pedal multi-effects of Line6 and Boss and do. I forgot which multi-effects unit you have previously used but imo, these two units bring tone shaping and feel to a whole new level (perhaps the zoom G9.2tt could compete too, but I’ve never had much experience with it)

The most important advantage of these multi-effects units is that your tone follows you, so they’re great for live applications. But since you hardly perform, that might not apply >.<

Personally, I would love to move on from amp emulating multi-effects units, but I simply don’t have the cash to fund a full sized pedal board, a tube amp, some rack units or perhaps a T.C G-system. Sure, distortion pedals can get you that far, but no matter how boutique they are, you will not find a tone close to John Petrucci, Joe Satriani, Steve Vai, Paul Gilbert and the rest of the pros without a great tube amp, a big cab and loads of equipment on racks with cables all over the floor.

Just imagine, me saying the cheapest way to getting a good consistent tone you can control wherever you go is by getting either the x3 or gt-10 which cost around $600 to $700. I used to chase single pedals when I first started, I indulged in modding almost all my pedals and spent almost a thousand bucks doing up my pedal board but still not getting the results I wanted.

More often than not, I relied on whatever amp the jamming studio or live venue provided. To get a consistent tone over these amps which range from Marshalls solid state to fender jazz choruses to Laney tube amps, I fed my pedals to the clean channels of these amps and relied totally on stomp boxes for distortion. A really foolish move when you compare with what the drive channel of great tube amps do to you tone (I’ve only tried a few so far, mesa dual rec, marshall jcm 900, jcm 2000 but that’s enough to make me realize stomp boxes alone really cmi)

True, the x3 and gt-10 don’t fetch the exact tones and feel / dynamics of the amps they emulate, but I would say its close enough. If one really took the time to tweak these units, the end result would be tones that are so close to the original, it’s hard for most to tell it apart from the original tone during a blind test. Those videos above speak for themselves =D

I’d say, go for stomp boxes only if you have the budget. And you know you have the budget after you buy your first tube amp. :twisted:

Just give me a call or something, we can discuss more stuff

 

[MadWerewolfBoy]

hmm, the ad on the right of the last post here->
(if nobody post after this yet)
makes things hard to read man..