Whitestrat
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But Pros are the ones which can be bought right? I was more thinking of the OEM ones which can't be bought... I wonder about those...
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But Pros are the ones which can be bought right? I was more thinking of the OEM ones which can't be bought... I wonder about those...
My point is that a JG is a Les Paul in JG's clothing - everything else is the same except the exclusive JG body shape, hence it has the capability to outdo an R9 which is Gibson's best offering to date.
Saying the JG does not sound like a Les Paul is like saying the Fender Aerodyne Strat does not sound like a normal strat - because the input jack is not located at the top, it has a bent top instead of a flat top etc. etc. I'm talking about purely tone here.
However if someone really wants the entire vibe of the classic strat, or the Les Paul for the matter, then he should go for the Les Paul, and this is what everyone agrees on, since it's correct.
Soundwise, if a tele can sound like a Les Paul - what says a JG then?
This must have been the misunderstanding all the way from the start. I'm referring to the tonal aspect purely, and not the entire package or vibe of the Les Paul.
Similarly, a PRS sc 245 can sound indistinguishable from a Les Paul as well if both guitars are using the same pickups.
Saying the JG does not sound like a Les Paul is like saying the Fender Aerodyne Strat does not sound like a normal strat - because the input jack is not located at the top, it has a bent top instead of a flat top etc. etc. I'm talking about purely tone here.
However if someone really wants the entire vibe of the classic strat, or the Les Paul for the matter, then he should go for the Les Paul, and this is what everyone agrees on, since it's correct.
Soundwise, if a tele can sound like a Les Paul - what says a JG then?
This must have been the misunderstanding all the way from the start. I'm referring to the tonal aspect purely, and not the entire package or vibe of the Les Paul.
Similarly, a PRS sc 245 can sound indistinguishable from a Les Paul as well if both guitars are using the same pickups.
You hit the nail on the head! It's the same as some people prefer playing the exact note to note directly from the tabs of a song while others prefer to play by ear, and improvise so that they can throw in their own personal flavour. I'm one of the latter =p
Whitestrat
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Ok the aerodyne was a bad example - not easy to find another guitar with a slight tweak to the classic strat layout. How about Suhr versus Fender?
"[chanmin] well my point is that the JG's exclusive body shape is EXACTLY what differentiates it from a normal lespaul?? -- you are saying that because it has a different body shape it can out lespaul an R9???? Bro have you played a JG? Wait , do you own one? "
No. What I'm trying to say in layman's terms is that 2 guitars with the same construction, same body wood, same electronics but slightly different body shapes will sound the same. And since we all know that JG uses prime woods and has the pride and decency in his work to perfect every single one of his guitars which Gibson cannot afford to due to their production quota, his take on the les paul will have the capability to outdo an R9.
Btw, people normally compare the JG to the real 1959 burst, and not an R9. Different leagues.
Also, did the Tokai and the Gibson have the same electronics in the first place, and was the difference between the 2 as great as the difference between 2 Gibsons or 2 Tokais for that matter? I think that you will agree playing 2 good examples of a Gibson Les Paul side by side will have them yield different characters as well.
Actually a very very good example would be to try playing a Heritage next to a Gibson. Different brands, different headstock, but same heritage.
"[chanmin] well my point is that the JG's exclusive body shape is EXACTLY what differentiates it from a normal lespaul?? -- you are saying that because it has a different body shape it can out lespaul an R9???? Bro have you played a JG? Wait , do you own one? "
No. What I'm trying to say in layman's terms is that 2 guitars with the same construction, same body wood, same electronics but slightly different body shapes will sound the same. And since we all know that JG uses prime woods and has the pride and decency in his work to perfect every single one of his guitars which Gibson cannot afford to due to their production quota, his take on the les paul will have the capability to outdo an R9.
Btw, people normally compare the JG to the real 1959 burst, and not an R9. Different leagues.
Also, did the Tokai and the Gibson have the same electronics in the first place, and was the difference between the 2 as great as the difference between 2 Gibsons or 2 Tokais for that matter? I think that you will agree playing 2 good examples of a Gibson Les Paul side by side will have them yield different characters as well.
Actually a very very good example would be to try playing a Heritage next to a Gibson. Different brands, different headstock, but same heritage.
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optisailor2002
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quote your post. different league.
gibson uses machines. machines are more precise. therefore gibson les pauls are the best.
real '59 burst is the legend. the r9 is not, cos its in a way the pirated version from the original company. who the hell want to compare with the pirated version instead. therefore gibson les pauls are the best.
heritage have uglly headstock. so their sound is different cos headstock different. so its not the "classic les paul" sound. therefore gibson les paul is the best.
all in all tone is subjective. so to me gibson les paul is the best. nothing can change my mind. therefore gibson les paul is the best.
Hmm the typical Suhr costs as much as the custom shop Fender. As for the rest of the post - "ok."
hmm well .. as i said.. there are many people out there with boutique strats... say.. Tom Andersons , SUHR , Tyler, Don Grosh...
Do they sound stratty? well sure as hell they do. Even the EMGs in my EBMM Luke do ... Are they at the same price point? NO.
My reasoning is... that if someone knows what he/she wants.
say... He has decided on a nice Fender Strat Sound. Would he buy a nice Fender strat or would he pay more for a Don Grosh? i think if you want a strat sound... why not just get the "original" at a cheaper price point?
Well ... no two gibsons sound identical ... thanks to their inconsistent production standards and ...many many many other factors, some of which may even be out of their control ...
Mo excuse though... cus my 2nd EBMM luke Looks/feels/plays/sounds literally like the twin of my old one. Now THAT is QC.
I have mentioned that.... if you want a gibson Lespaul tone.
If You want to sound "Very Close to a Gibson"
Buy a copy and install authentic sounding pups.
The difference is really quite minimal and personally i would fail all the blind tests. i think Epiphone, orville , tokai, edwards etc... all make very high quality versions of the Gibson lespaul.
These will make great substitutes because they are of better quality AND cheaper.(Though some may still say they are not as good...)
i think the remaining 1-10% difference in tone will easily be compensated with Good guitar playing.....
Or in my case i need Uber-Expensive-Mojo speaker/Guitar/Patch cables and a Dumble + Two Rock amp stereo setup.
- to compensate for the bad playing.
Do they sound stratty? well sure as hell they do. Even the EMGs in my EBMM Luke do ... Are they at the same price point? NO.
My reasoning is... that if someone knows what he/she wants.
say... He has decided on a nice Fender Strat Sound. Would he buy a nice Fender strat or would he pay more for a Don Grosh? i think if you want a strat sound... why not just get the "original" at a cheaper price point?
Well ... no two gibsons sound identical ... thanks to their inconsistent production standards and ...many many many other factors, some of which may even be out of their control ...
Mo excuse though... cus my 2nd EBMM luke Looks/feels/plays/sounds literally like the twin of my old one. Now THAT is QC.
I have mentioned that.... if you want a gibson Lespaul tone.
If You want to sound "Very Close to a Gibson"
Buy a copy and install authentic sounding pups.
The difference is really quite minimal and personally i would fail all the blind tests. i think Epiphone, orville , tokai, edwards etc... all make very high quality versions of the Gibson lespaul.
These will make great substitutes because they are of better quality AND cheaper.(Though some may still say they are not as good...)
i think the remaining 1-10% difference in tone will easily be compensated with Good guitar playing.....
Or in my case i need Uber-Expensive-Mojo speaker/Guitar/Patch cables and a Dumble + Two Rock amp stereo setup.
- to compensate for the bad playing.
Whitestrat
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CM, I'd beg to differ here... You like the 62? The neck is too thick, and it's RW. I'd prefer the HR 57 for a more vintage tone due to the maple boards...
Don't get me wrong. I love the 62s for what they are, but somehow, it lacks that very focused tone due to the RW.
But that's me...:mrgreen:
Whitestrat
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I'm curious about something. How many people have actually seen a real 1959 burst to know the reall difference?
I've never met anyone who has seen one or even heard of one around for that matter...
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Honestly, I'd rather get an EBMM Silo Special if I only have to own just one. Mainly because my strats feel too delicate, and I'm worried about damage because they really feel like old frail men. The EBMM would feel more robust and more damage friendly.
I actually think spending mony on a Grosh is stupid. But then, that's not my money they're spending. If I had that kind of disposable income, I'd buy a DeTemple. Yum!!!
They can't be more different that 2 strats, can they? I'd at least give it to Gibsons to be more consistent than Fenders.
Most people I know would scoff at that remark and probably have never played/owned one. They'd say something like: "The best QC is still ESP/PRS etc etc..." Never EBMM.
Whitestrat; said:
Haha ... well .. my EBMM still looked mintish even after almost a year of jamming and gigging.. even now that its with Souljah ..it STILL LOOKS new... its super hardy... quality hardware and workmanship really shows.
Hmmm .. i wouldnt say my Strats arent hardy...But you know la i relic slut... so i wouldnt really mind them getting bits dinged and tarnished...
Whitestrat; said:
Haha.. to each his own la... some people are simply more financially able then others. If its Detemple for you... it sure can be Don grosh for someone else eh? Well .. for me... partocasters pretty much give me what i want for now...
Whitestrat; said:
hmm ... well .. i think the differences between lespauls and fender are exclusive. Lespauls suffer not only from tonal differences , but also differences in fretwork, inlay work, weight ...etc... The fenders... some how... vary alot less from my experience. i mean if you compare two MIA Standard strats from two different shops .. chances are.. they'd be pretty much the same thing... Ive tried 3 john mayer strats which all sound and feel very very similiar... for the thousands they churn out of the fender factory... id say they have amazing quality control despite the simpler production process of the strat.
i guess PRS does have excellent QC rivalling ebmm ... but ive not had much experience with them ... i played a Pre 95 CE24 for about 4 yrs ... it was one of the best guitars i ever owned... the new ones are nice too ... the Heel was irritating.. didnt totally kill playability.. but i always wondered why did they have to spoil a good thing?
xklusivly4u
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I'm curious about something. How many people have actually seen a real 1959 burst to know the reall difference?
I've never met anyone who has seen one or even heard of one around for that matter...
I've seen it, nothing to shout about.
I'm curious about something. How many people have actually seen a real 1959 burst to know the reall difference?
I've never met anyone who has seen one or even heard of one around for that matter...
Rich rich ang mohs with lotsa spare cash around =D.
Actually, I believe the folks at hollywood guitars and Cliff at destroyallguitars who make a living selling and playing their fair share of '59s and JGs will be very well versed in both guitars. Not all '59 bursts are great guitars though.
Benster
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have you ever played or seen a 59 burst or a Gustavsson in person?
