Almondx, i acknowledge that there is some truth in what you're saying but you're just making too many sweeping statements that its hard for me to believe you. The folks at the LPF really love their R9s. They send them for HISTORIC makeovers which just help to artificially accelerate the aging process so that their guitars look like real 59 bursts. They also have the occasional pickup change here and there, which is the norm for whatever guitar you buy. I think it's totally absurd that these changes to a R9 would render it 'no longer a gibson'. I'm willing to bet my last dollar that PRS owners swap out their pickups as often as Gibson owners. After all, it's all about the sound that the owners are after. So, I understand that you're a big supporter of PRS because you probably own one yourself and need some sort of way to justify your four thousand odd dollar purchase, which seems to have manifest itself in your supposed 'Gibson downplaying', but theres no need to put down Gibson just because of your personal preference.
Gibson LP Vs PRS standard satin
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kalibre: Historic makeovers are not just about cosmetic issues. You can go to their website to check out how they redo a les paul. How am I downplaying Gibsons when I am stating facts which can be cross referenced? Gibson hasn't even gotten their R9 specs correct compared to the original '59 burst yet. So, one can even argue that the R9 is not a les paul since the specs are incorrect. The bridge placement, carve top, scale length are incorrect and they have changed over the years to what became the R9. Historic makeovers try to correct some of this eg. replacing and regluing the fretboard with a BRW one with proper hide glue, removing the truss rod condom, reshaping the neck and etc. to proper '59 specs. What other $7k guitar requires such drastic measures?
I have not even praised PRS enough yet to be warranted a "big supporter of PRS". I don't need any justification for my PRS which I bought because I want it to sound different from a Les Paul. And your point is?
How is "The guys on the LPF love their R9s" not a sweeping statement in its own right? I am addressing this issue from the very same base point you came off on equal grounds.
Once again I stress that if the facts prove unfavourable to Gibson, that is its own fault. Be the brand that it was 50 years ago and it wouldn't have such a hard time coping with the standards of today. Btw, how are the new Les Paul standards a Les Paul which is a solid body guitar when they are so chambered?
If the Les Paul is the industry standard, I shudder to think of all the QC problems in evey other guitar brand out there.
The JG is different from other well made les paul style guitars because apart from the body shape, Johan has gone great lengths to source for identical materials used in the holy grail '59. Sure, people say that since it looks like a tele, there's an element of the tele twang in it and hence does not sound like a Les Paul. I'm willing to bet that the magnitude of the difference between a JG and a '59 is equivalent to the difference between a '59 and another.
Chanmin, I never said the Schroeder will sound like a les paul so I'm puzzled to why you said your last point.
L3stat - The singlecut shape or neck joint for that matter since the shape of the upper bout can be a little different contributes significantly to the Les Paul tone.
I'm really tired of rebutting every single point something equally valid. Let's just leave the disscussion here or use google to find out more. Play devil's advocate and I think you'll see both sides of how good a les paul really is.
I have not even praised PRS enough yet to be warranted a "big supporter of PRS". I don't need any justification for my PRS which I bought because I want it to sound different from a Les Paul. And your point is?
How is "The guys on the LPF love their R9s" not a sweeping statement in its own right? I am addressing this issue from the very same base point you came off on equal grounds.
Once again I stress that if the facts prove unfavourable to Gibson, that is its own fault. Be the brand that it was 50 years ago and it wouldn't have such a hard time coping with the standards of today. Btw, how are the new Les Paul standards a Les Paul which is a solid body guitar when they are so chambered?
If the Les Paul is the industry standard, I shudder to think of all the QC problems in evey other guitar brand out there.
The JG is different from other well made les paul style guitars because apart from the body shape, Johan has gone great lengths to source for identical materials used in the holy grail '59. Sure, people say that since it looks like a tele, there's an element of the tele twang in it and hence does not sound like a Les Paul. I'm willing to bet that the magnitude of the difference between a JG and a '59 is equivalent to the difference between a '59 and another.
Chanmin, I never said the Schroeder will sound like a les paul so I'm puzzled to why you said your last point.
L3stat - The singlecut shape or neck joint for that matter since the shape of the upper bout can be a little different contributes significantly to the Les Paul tone.
I'm really tired of rebutting every single point something equally valid. Let's just leave the disscussion here or use google to find out more. Play devil's advocate and I think you'll see both sides of how good a les paul really is.
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optisailor2002
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R9 =/= les paul '59 burst
les paul '59 burst = industry standard
R9 =/= industry standard
les paul '59 burst = industry standard
R9 =/= industry standard
Lol, as someone who cannot come up with his own valid points to counter argue mine, you resort to such childishness. Get a life. I simply pointed out the flaws in Gibson - their guitars, their company as a whole. For the boot licking of Gibson, I prefer to leave it to the fanboys. There are plenty.
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well in a thread that pits both brands against each other, your downplaying of gibson obviously means that you're in favour of PRS. It's also common knowledge on the forums that you own a PRS yourself and probably like it alot. I just put two and two together and arrived at my answer.
This is just a discussion. I see no need for sarcasm. It really just shows how mature you are about these things. But whatever, the PRS vs. Gibson debate has been going for ages, it's a matter of personal preference.
well I've already said my piece. And I have in no way lashed out at you and don't plan to do so anytime soon because that would just reflect badly on my maturity as an individual. I suggest you check yourself before telling me I'm the childish one.
Haha both have their own merits, leave it to the OP's discretion =)
The "flaw" of PRS is simple and straightforward, if you buy it intending it to sound identical to a Gibson, then you've made the wrong choice. The sc245 do sound like a Gibson LP, but there are so many variations of LPs and given the consistancy of Gibson that the difference between a sc245, like the JG, from an LP is not more than the difference between one LP and the next, ceteris paribus.
The "flaws" of Gibson are what I've mentioned. Some feel that the QC of PRS is so high and it's so perfect it doesn't feel like a guitar. Kinda like playing guitar with a synthesizer, perfect bends to pitch etc. Doesn't sound like a guitar playing. The crudeness in the Gibson Les Paul can be translated to a rawness in the feel - big, rude manly balls =D something which is highly desirable to others as well.
The "flaw" of PRS is simple and straightforward, if you buy it intending it to sound identical to a Gibson, then you've made the wrong choice. The sc245 do sound like a Gibson LP, but there are so many variations of LPs and given the consistancy of Gibson that the difference between a sc245, like the JG, from an LP is not more than the difference between one LP and the next, ceteris paribus.
The "flaws" of Gibson are what I've mentioned. Some feel that the QC of PRS is so high and it's so perfect it doesn't feel like a guitar. Kinda like playing guitar with a synthesizer, perfect bends to pitch etc. Doesn't sound like a guitar playing. The crudeness in the Gibson Les Paul can be translated to a rawness in the feel - big, rude manly balls =D something which is highly desirable to others as well.
Oh you're so high and mighty. Can I worship you? Btw, that's the standard procedure to take when you have no more things to say, kinda like how losers in a competition walk off saying, "well I tried my best" to try to make up for their loss. Well wake up! Your best is still not good enough.
True that you didn't lash out at me directly. However simply by reading between the lines do your intended implication reveal itself. Something much more viscious than lashing out directly then.
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Not liking Gibson =/= liking PRS. Doesn't take a genius to figure that out.
well think what you want. You don't like Gibson, I do. I get it. Believe me I have alot more to say. I'm just walking away from something I know will be blown out of proportion if it doesn't stop. If in your book, that makes me a coward then so be it. It also doesn't take a genius to figure out that I don't give a damn what you think about me because you're clearly someone who doesn't respect the fact that other people have different opinions. This will be the last post I make with regard to this issue.
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I don't know anything about your opinions though because all of your posts are directed towards me seeming to be a PRS fanboy and thus I have no respect for them. I do however, have utmost respect for you as a forum mate and your choice of walking away like that and no I do not think that you're a coward for doing so.
Well I'm sorry if I came across like that. I would love to talk to you about PRSes someday. I might even try to get one soon if my budget allows it. Right now I have my sights set on a les paul.
xklusivly4u
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I learn a lot by reading all the posts. Thanks guys.
Just like one of the posters said it’s a matter of time to buy both. Every time I decided on one I thought I want the other one. But I am not that lucky to own both at the same time. Sigh….life is tough, need a new job.
Just like one of the posters said it’s a matter of time to buy both. Every time I decided on one I thought I want the other one. But I am not that lucky to own both at the same time. Sigh….life is tough, need a new job.
Whitestrat
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How about a nice Ibanez SZ?
Whitestrat
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Kinda like an LP crossed with a Tele... interesting... But I like the roundness of an LP shape... Too bad I can't ever get along with one...
xklusivly4u
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are there any japanese SZ? anyway, just want to get non-ibanez for now.
