Gibson LP Vs PRS standard satin

xklusivly4u said:
are there any japanese SZ? anyway, just want to get non-ibanez for now.
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Japanese SZ? I don't understand this question... Elaborate?:confused:

I recommended the SZ because you mentioned that you're used to your Ibanez, and would like to get something closer to a Les Paul kinda sound. Well, neck-thru, and 25" scale would suit you nicely, since you're used to the scale, and the construction will bring you closer... Because mainly people coming from superstrats would feel hindered (I know I do) by the shorter scale and single cutaway. I think the Sz addresses both problems easily wihtout deviating too much from the intended tone.

You won't get exactly a les paul tone from the SZ, but I'd rather buy a guitar I can play... Heh.
 
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xklusivly4u said:
made in Japan SZ model, I thought they all made in Korea.
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er... I don't think so... not the prestige models...
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neck type 5pc SZ Maple/Walnut neck-thrubody Flamed Maple/Selected Mahogany bodyfret Large fretsbridge Gibraltar Custom bridgetailpiece Quik Change III tailpieceneck pu Seymour Duncan® IBZ (H) neck pubridge pu Seymour Duncan® IBZ (H) bridge pu
 
Whitestrat said:
Kinda like an LP crossed with a Tele... interesting... But I like the roundness of an LP shape... Too bad I can't ever get along with one...:rolleyes:
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Yea! Same!! But the wood sure is beautiful.. *drools*

The SZ is a really nice guitar, and to me it really sounds similar to a hamer studio.
 
almondx said:
Yea! Same!! But the wood sure is beautiful.. *drools*

The SZ is a really nice guitar, and to me it really sounds similar to a hamer studio.
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Well, to me, there are mainly 2 kinds of guitar groups. The LP-types, and the strat-types. Hamer, Edwards, PRS, Gibbys, SZ, all fall into the LP-type guitars, and their sounds to me aren't all that dissimilar. And having a good sounding LP-type guitar, is a given. It had damn well sound good due to the kind of construction and angled design blueprint involved. I just don't find those fascinating at all.

The Strat-types on the other hand, are weird. The Ibanez RGs, S, EBMMs, Fenders, ESPs, etc etc are all different. Mainly due to the bolt-on construction and the flat profile. finding a good sounding bolt-on is one of the hardest things to do... and honestly? I've never found ANY bolt-on guitar to sustain as well as an EBMM, and the worst bit? ALL EBMMs have that sustain. But all bolt-ons generally sound different. I think there are too many variables in the equation.

Parker Flys on the other hand, are a different story... heh.
 
EBMM is a great brand. It has that definitive super strat tone I prefer out of all the many other superstrat brands out there. Haha oh well we really should start another thread on this, I really feel sorry for the OP. My apologies for ruining the thread!

I would say that if you want a tone that can be found in the Les Pauls Gibson is making these days, then by all means go through every single one you can find, pick the best of the crop and you'll be really happy with it.

If you like how the PRS feels and plays, and if you are looking for a different interpretation of the Les Paul sound and with a longer scale length as well, you'll be really happy with the std 22 as well. In fact do try out all the PRS models to see one you like the most and then there you have it.

Both ways you can't go wrong.
 
almondx said:
Chanmin, I never said the Schroeder will sound like a les paul so I'm puzzled to why you said your last point.
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what im trying to say... is that.. The modern eagle is Paul Reed Smith's new flagship range no? well its not private stock la... haha but the modern eagle was inspired by the private stock lineup.

So if say i wanted a lespaul "sounding" guitar... it would be dumb to spend 5K usd on a PRS top of the line single cut. when all i needed was $3k sgd for a new Gibson Lespaul - which does the lespaul thing "like it was born for that sole purpose"

Im getting a PRS Single Cut "replica" of sorts made by schroeder due to a bad case of Modern Eagle Faded Blue Jeans Fever...

and was just saying that i would be very dissapointed if it did what you said it would do. "Lespaul Tone with PRS playability."

Having cleared that up.

heres what i think of the whole Lespaul and PRS issue.

1)PRS is made to better QC standards then GIBSON.
2)The Gibson Lespaul Sound is best found in a Gibson Lespaul

Playbility is subject to the player's preferences... so lets not go there.
 
Hehe, everyone seems to say that if u want a les paul sound, then get a les paul... But then again, i dont think that prs has ever marketed themselves as a les paul copy type of guitar, just because it has a les paul type of shape. In fact the gretsch duojet which has a les paul type of body also doesnt sound like one.

Hmm, i noe that the prs cant give u that raw les paul tone, but can the les paul give u that unique prs tone? So gotta ask urself, wat is it you looking for?

U may just go buy the robotguitar
 
exactly... the lespaul sound/feel and Prs sound/feel is different. No matter how similiar it may be.

1 post on TGP said it very well though....

we always see questions posted regarding whether this XXXXX brand of Mahogany/ maple topped guitar can sound like a Lespaul ... etc...

how come nobody posts questions like
"Can my Gibson Lespaul sound like a PRS? "
"Can my Gibson Lespaul Sound like a JG blues master? "
 
ChanMin said:
how come nobody posts questions like
"Can my Gibson Lespaul sound like a PRS? "
"Can my Gibson Lespaul Sound like a JG blues master? "
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Because the Les Paul was there first, and it was the sound everyone got used to hearing.

I would then ask, what would happen if the PRS or JG Bluesmaster was invented before the Les Paul and people got used to their tone and artists like Slash, Jimmy Page, Zakk Wylde, Gary Moore and the likes used them as their signature guitars?

I think people will then start complaining about the muddiness of a Les Paul, the QC problems, the upper fret access, the weight, how it doesn't have the mojo of the PRS or JG etc. etc. because the characteristics of the guitars they are used to are just not found in the LP.

For example, in the 80s everyone was going for the superstrat shredmetal double locking trem types of guitars and the LP wasn't that popular. Then the trend shifted to Gibson when some of the artists mentioned above started being more famous.

It's all a matter of relation of the heritage of the guitar you see.. and guitarists are a conservative bunch. And well who knows what the trend may shift to in future - guitarists may be even made obselete due to advancements in synthesizer and guitar emulations on keyboards. No one can tell, and no one knows.
 
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Thats right, in the 80s ibanez and jackson were like the guitar to get. Esp when fender's standard then dropped like hell, and the shred guitar revolution started.

That was why slash was like so "responsible" in making the les paul famous again. From his own mouth, he was supprise how everyone wanted a les paul just cuz he was using one, and he also said that he was not the first one who used it!!! In fact, if im not wrong, the first les paul he used was not a gibby, but one build by a luthier. So credit to him for his part in making the les paul fashionable again
 
yup! thats my point exactly... the lespaul was there first...
therefore it will always be on top of the " Gibson lespaul sounding list "

PRS will not out lespaul a lespaul... neither will a JG.

The thing is the Gibson Lespaul sound stems from its design. Gibson doesnt have any Magical mojo juice it pours in during the manufacturing process. If the guitar LOOKS different. finished differently... used different hardware...etc... its gonna sound different?

Slash's 59' lespaul copy was made by Chris Derrig... who is unfortunately.. not around anymore. The next closest thing would be MAX guitars. Bur i think those cost a Cherry QQ with COE here.
 
Hmmm... you can compare any 2 given guitars and be talking about it till Kingdom Come and still not have a definate answer..

Thing is.. just buy whatever rocks your boat..

I love my gibson!..and I love my Fenders.. heh heh..
 
almondx said:
I would say that if you want a tone that can be found in the Les Pauls Gibson is making these days, then by all means go through every single one you can find, pick the best of the crop and you'll be really happy with it.
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What always bothers me, is why many guitarists go for a certain guitar because it has that familiar tone. What's wrong with having an unfamiliar (but not bad) tone? PRS used to be in that category. (I used to want one... until they brought in that heel from hell...) Mainly, you couldn't place a PRS tone. With the exception of Santana, no one else worth mentioning was using one. Until now.

I've always been told that an LP tone is this and that, and when anyone tries to impress me with LP tones, there's not much they can do.

But why do that? Joe Satriani deliberately wanted an acoustically dead guitar so he could create his own tone. So did John Petrucci. Jeff Beck makes a strat sound like not a strat. They all have that single characteristic tone, which is their own, and is not a result of the guitar, but vice versa. They chose to create that tone.

Why can't more of us think this way?
 
ChanMin said:
The thing is the Gibson Lespaul sound stems from its design. Gibson doesnt have any Magical mojo juice it pours in during the manufacturing process. If the guitar LOOKS different. finished differently... used different hardware...etc... its gonna sound different?
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Exactly... That's why to me, a well made replica, (i.e Edwards) would do the job just fine...

Now if only I could get burstbucker pickups on sale...:mrgreen:
 
Yup .. exactly.. as i said... a tokai/edwards/greco ... etc lespaul copy would be well made enough to pass a blind test ... just put in pickups to taste. the tokai i had... came with cheap gotoh humbuckers.

burst bucker pros are the shiznit!

Mind you the tokai i had cost 2.2k ....it had EVERYTHING... 1pc honduran mahogany back.. long neck tenon... Braz fretboard.. it was a 59 replica. But i still prefered the 2004 gibson lespaul standard i had.

right now after thinking about it. i must say the gap would have been ALOT closer if the tokai had burstbuckers.


OMg all this gibson talk is awakening my gibson lespaul lust.



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regarding heritage... i think they make good stuff... KennethC had a nice Heritage lp blackbeauty. It was seriously the heaviest guitar ive ever held. it sounded huge... only prob was the weight.
but at their prices...
id honestly just buy a gibson .. or save money and buy a tokai/edwards
 
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