Gibson LP Vs PRS standard satin
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Whitestrat
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That's a good one. lol, maybe you're just used to it having a 5 way. And you like the feel of having to use a 5 way switch?
Or... you'd want your strat to look like this.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/crap/946984467/
Actually, I DO like the feel of using a 5 way as opposed to a 3 way. I dunno why. I'm finding more uses for the 2 and 4 these days though...
That pic... LOL... I don't like hums on the mid position though... whahahaha...
But I think this one might have some interesting tonal issues... but I wouldn't like to try it LIVE though... whahahaha...
I think I'd not know which of the toggle switches were for what.
I prefer something simple.
Position 2 and 4 are good for high gain stuff.
I think I know what you mean, the 5 way switch feels more sturdy, psychologically, it makes it seem more sturdy. Something like a "It does more, it should be better" thing that goes on in the mind.
There's another pic that's similar, but done to an '79 LP, 5 humbuckers in the guitar. But not so overwhelming on the toggle switches. Must be pretty heavy with all the magnets in there, but I cringe at thinking about the wiring done on those two. Especially the super-monster-switch-me-up strat.
Btw, I'd definitely like to try out this setup in the future:-
5 way switch - bridge/mid/neck
toggle switch 1 (3 way) - bridge inside/combined/outside coil
toggle switch 2 (3 way) - neck inside/combined/outside coil
Pickups - 5 single coils.
This setup would be something like a coil tap, but it'll sound different from a tapped HSH setup. And it gives more room for experimentation with stacked pickups and lipstick (i REALLY doubt so) as well.
It should be a very fun test rig for pickups tough.
I prefer something simple.
Position 2 and 4 are good for high gain stuff.
I think I know what you mean, the 5 way switch feels more sturdy, psychologically, it makes it seem more sturdy. Something like a "It does more, it should be better" thing that goes on in the mind.
There's another pic that's similar, but done to an '79 LP, 5 humbuckers in the guitar. But not so overwhelming on the toggle switches. Must be pretty heavy with all the magnets in there, but I cringe at thinking about the wiring done on those two. Especially the super-monster-switch-me-up strat.
Btw, I'd definitely like to try out this setup in the future:-
5 way switch - bridge/mid/neck
toggle switch 1 (3 way) - bridge inside/combined/outside coil
toggle switch 2 (3 way) - neck inside/combined/outside coil
Pickups - 5 single coils.
This setup would be something like a coil tap, but it'll sound different from a tapped HSH setup. And it gives more room for experimentation with stacked pickups and lipstick (i REALLY doubt so) as well.
It should be a very fun test rig for pickups tough.
KennethC
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Shreddy...really...? yikes!! LOL
adamqlw
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Technically, Ben said that I said that you were 16. That constitutes hearsay... You're invited to point out where exactly in my post *I* explicitly said you are 16. The only thing my post said is that there was enough information provided to me to ascertain your *approximate* age. Your fabrication of facts and desperate attempts at latching onto anything to substantiate your arguement says a lot about the integrity of *your* post.
I never once commented on your outline of Gibson. To read into my statements anything implying the contrary is to construe it in a manner that was not intended, and is not a reasonable interpretation their meaning.
That fact that you were or were not raving is not in question here. It is merely your *definition* of raving that I consider to be inappropriate, and I quote,
I do not mention PRS AND JG in EVERY SINGLE POST I make. That is the proper meaning of raving.
Taken in context, that can mean, and can only mean, that ravings must be in EVERY SINGLE POST (note your own emphasis).
A forceful argument purportedly validated by what is asserted to be reason is, unfortunately, not always the correct argument.
Then this is not business, you're just being a nuisance and an "extra" here, since the basis of this flame war originated from my summary on Gibson.
Ok, so that garners enough evidence from both me and you to call ChanMin a liar and a fabricator of stories. "Your fabrication of facts and desperate attempts at latching onto anything to substantiate your arguement says a lot about the integrity of *your* post." would best fit him, straight from the horse's mouth.
Some friend you are to ChanMin
Anyway, I have checked with Malcolm and he said it is pretty safe to say that one can gauge the playability of a guitar by examining the workmanship first.
This is because badly crowned frets, a bad set up, gaps in the binding, rough areas for those natural satin finishes all add to discomfort to a guitar. <--- this is exactly what I got flamed for in this thread btw.
If you add the same wood used in the real '59 les paul as well as the same construction methods, albeit a slightly redesigned body shape, you're going to get a guitar very close sounding or even identical to a real '59 les paul tonewise, which has the capability of outdoing a current day R9 which uses different construction materials.
That's it, and all that I've intended to say in this thread.
If you still want to argue with me or anything, PM me on MSN. I have been very courteous to you while talking to you on MSN all this while, and I expect the same in return.
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No, I'm not directing it against you personally ChanMin. Just that the way Adam posts would implicate me as well as you and Fenderben, since there are misinformation going around, be it intentional or deliberate. There is no motive for me to attack you personally because you hadn't said anything directed against me either.
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ok back to which is better , on the neutral perspective(without personal biases) both are great guitars , if im not wrong the PRS has less mass than a Gibson les paul . personally i prefer the Gibson les paul , the tone and the sustain you get from the combination of a heavy solid body and a powerful humbucker is amazing . over an above , its just one hell of a sexy instrument . classic and timeless design . upside , because of its price , not many people would be able to own one or find it worth the price , that leaves you with something special not many others have or can have
Hmmm? Why don't you ask him yourself?
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im neither. At the very least...all my comments on gear are experienced and not read off some website.
I didnt have a chance to read your msn log with adam till today and i must say... you WERE friendly and there was nothing in the conversation that hinted of the almondx we know here.
If only that nice, humble, friendly chap would post around here more.
1) Malcom is right. one CAN gauge the playabilty of a guitar by examining workmanship first. Malcom is a professional, you are not.
2) Would malcom have praised products such as... Reverend guitars, if he hadnt tried one before?
See pictures and hear sound clips VS Trying the guitar yourself
Which one can form a better opinion?
Regarding your JG.
personally i think its a mahogany telecaster. Id bet it sounds great.. for that kinda money.. it better.
Whitestrat
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personally i think its a mahogany telecaster. Id bet it sounds great.. for that kinda money.. it better.
We can call it a TelePaul, or a LesTele or whatever... The more I look at it, the less it appeals to me.
...but that's me...:mrgreen:
Looks like a les paul to me, the upper bout has been modified to allow for upper fret access however mass is still there due to the uplift just before joining the neck, do note the deepness of the cutaway between the 2, and lower bout is essentially the same.
Bridge will not be an issue here, since les pauls come with both stop tails and TOM, and top wrapping will essentially yield a stop tail anyway.
The silhoutte makes it look like a tele, but that's the only similarity there. I mean the Jackson soloist looks like a shred guitar right - but Gary Moore doesn't sound all that different from using his LP when he plays the Loner.
Regarding what I've said before about workmanship, I sincerely hope one can tell that frets are properly crowned, no dried out fretboards, no chips in the wood, fret edges and binding are flush with the neck and hence doesn't jutt out to cut into the hand, fingerboard is sufficiently rounded off - even if I am totally clueless to what I'm talking about, I will at least have some credibility tinkering, setting up, repairing, buffing and restaining finishes. I have made alot of errors on the way, such as going through 3 nuts before getting the slots to the correct height - all these take time of course, but a duration of 5 years is enough to achieve what I know if anyone is keen enough to pursue his interest passionately everyday.
You're welcome to give me any crappy guitar for me to set up free to demonstrate. I can't do floyd roses though, not my forte.
Hence with all that I know, I am able to tell poor workmanship - you really don't need a professional to do so.
Here's a tip on finishes - you can even apply them to cars if you want
- try to get a reflection of the sun (or a fluorescen light) and look at the edge of the light. A properly finished guitar will have a clearer reflection of the light as compared to a less refined finish. If you bring this phenomenon to cars, you see that certain brands eg. BMW and Mercs - their black stays black alot longer instead of becoming cloudy, and this has also got to do with the hardness of the finish if we would like to bring scratches and wear and tear into play.
My limits were sorely stretched in this thread - which would why I come across as very aggressive. If you were to just refer to the post and read it out aloud like a face to face conversation - I would not come across as being snobbish or arrogant until the later part of the thread where I got really fed up by being provoked. I do have my limits.
Bridge will not be an issue here, since les pauls come with both stop tails and TOM, and top wrapping will essentially yield a stop tail anyway.
The silhoutte makes it look like a tele, but that's the only similarity there. I mean the Jackson soloist looks like a shred guitar right - but Gary Moore doesn't sound all that different from using his LP when he plays the Loner.
Regarding what I've said before about workmanship, I sincerely hope one can tell that frets are properly crowned, no dried out fretboards, no chips in the wood, fret edges and binding are flush with the neck and hence doesn't jutt out to cut into the hand, fingerboard is sufficiently rounded off - even if I am totally clueless to what I'm talking about, I will at least have some credibility tinkering, setting up, repairing, buffing and restaining finishes. I have made alot of errors on the way, such as going through 3 nuts before getting the slots to the correct height - all these take time of course, but a duration of 5 years is enough to achieve what I know if anyone is keen enough to pursue his interest passionately everyday.
You're welcome to give me any crappy guitar for me to set up free to demonstrate. I can't do floyd roses though, not my forte.
Hence with all that I know, I am able to tell poor workmanship - you really don't need a professional to do so.
Here's a tip on finishes - you can even apply them to cars if you want
- try to get a reflection of the sun (or a fluorescen light) and look at the edge of the light. A properly finished guitar will have a clearer reflection of the light as compared to a less refined finish. If you bring this phenomenon to cars, you see that certain brands eg. BMW and Mercs - their black stays black alot longer instead of becoming cloudy, and this has also got to do with the hardness of the finish if we would like to bring scratches and wear and tear into play.My limits were sorely stretched in this thread - which would why I come across as very aggressive. If you were to just refer to the post and read it out aloud like a face to face conversation - I would not come across as being snobbish or arrogant until the later part of the thread where I got really fed up by being provoked. I do have my limits.
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Lancefury
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Hmmm.. personally, i think the worksmanship of a guitar contributes greatly to a playability of a guitar. It would be safe to assume that if i played a Wizard 2 neck with a smooth satin finish, and upon inspecting another Ibanez guitar with the same neck, and same worksmanship, technically, it should be of the same playability.
Fret crowning, hydrated fretboards, good finishes, smooth fret twangs and bindings may not affect tone very much (still does to an extent), but it would affect my perception of a guitar's playability. I came across a Epiphone Custom with badly cut fret twangs, uneven frets, poor crowning and to me, playing it wasn't a pleasure. However, i have also played a Epi Les Paul with good fretwork and finishing, with proper crowning and leveled frets.. so much nicer to play.
While it is true that a professional would be able to tell the differences between poor and good workmanship, it is also true that an experienced guitar player would be able to do so too, if perhaps not to the extent of the professional. I would not like to judge the credibility of a person, based on how many posts he did, or how many real life experiences he claims to have, as there is no way to tell exactly.
I believe that as musicians, we are all in pursuit of good tone and gears in our own personal way and differences can be settled amicably.
Perhaps if we put this matter aside, we can continue to discuss other issues in this thread?
Oh and one thing, it is quite clear that Mr Lester Polfus, who was the original designer of the Les Paul, did not like the idea of Gibson naming the SG a Les Paul model (Thats why they are called Gibson SG).
Therefore, strictly speaking, Les Pauls must adher to, a great extent, to the design of a Les Paul (Aesthetics, Construction and other aspects). Any deviation in any sort would cease to be a Les Paul Model/Copy. The only people that can make any design changes to a Les Paul, would be Mr Lester Polfus (who is 92 yrs old this year and is still alive) and Gibson, as they own the patent.
So i guess its safe to say that the above guitar is a PRS Les Paul lookalike? With an element of a Telecaster single cut? I enjoy reading the Soft threads.. but cringe whenever i come across "flaming posts"...
Fret crowning, hydrated fretboards, good finishes, smooth fret twangs and bindings may not affect tone very much (still does to an extent), but it would affect my perception of a guitar's playability. I came across a Epiphone Custom with badly cut fret twangs, uneven frets, poor crowning and to me, playing it wasn't a pleasure. However, i have also played a Epi Les Paul with good fretwork and finishing, with proper crowning and leveled frets.. so much nicer to play.
While it is true that a professional would be able to tell the differences between poor and good workmanship, it is also true that an experienced guitar player would be able to do so too, if perhaps not to the extent of the professional. I would not like to judge the credibility of a person, based on how many posts he did, or how many real life experiences he claims to have, as there is no way to tell exactly.
I believe that as musicians, we are all in pursuit of good tone and gears in our own personal way and differences can be settled amicably.
Perhaps if we put this matter aside, we can continue to discuss other issues in this thread?
Oh and one thing, it is quite clear that Mr Lester Polfus, who was the original designer of the Les Paul, did not like the idea of Gibson naming the SG a Les Paul model (Thats why they are called Gibson SG).
Therefore, strictly speaking, Les Pauls must adher to, a great extent, to the design of a Les Paul (Aesthetics, Construction and other aspects). Any deviation in any sort would cease to be a Les Paul Model/Copy. The only people that can make any design changes to a Les Paul, would be Mr Lester Polfus (who is 92 yrs old this year and is still alive) and Gibson, as they own the patent.
So i guess its safe to say that the above guitar is a PRS Les Paul lookalike? With an element of a Telecaster single cut? I enjoy reading the Soft threads.. but cringe whenever i come across "flaming posts"...
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dude this is completely objective and i must say its pleasant to see this type of post!
Yes the gustavsson does look to be a very very well built guitar with little or even zero build flaws inherent in a Gibson lespaul off the rack.
Regarding guitar finishing... having refinished a guitar top myself i must say in anything involving a clear finish - to achieve a clear glassy finish is really all about the patience, prep work and quality of the finishing materials. I had neither of the three , thus ended up with a decent satin finish i could still be proud of!
For guitars... unlike cars, the finish should be as thin as possible.
Car paint jobs from Mercedes and say... Hyundai... i would think they go thru very similiar processes - as fast dying as possible, at the lowest costing.
Main reason why some cars in black seem more 3D and rich is mainly due to the detailing... as long as the owner takes the time and effort to wax religiously or more commonly, spend major $$$ on the various detailing packages... his black car will remain KiLAT for a long time.
Yes the gustavsson does look to be a very very well built guitar with little or even zero build flaws inherent in a Gibson lespaul off the rack.
Regarding guitar finishing... having refinished a guitar top myself i must say in anything involving a clear finish - to achieve a clear glassy finish is really all about the patience, prep work and quality of the finishing materials. I had neither of the three , thus ended up with a decent satin finish i could still be proud of!
For guitars... unlike cars, the finish should be as thin as possible.
Car paint jobs from Mercedes and say... Hyundai... i would think they go thru very similiar processes - as fast dying as possible, at the lowest costing.
Main reason why some cars in black seem more 3D and rich is mainly due to the detailing... as long as the owner takes the time and effort to wax religiously or more commonly, spend major $$$ on the various detailing packages... his black car will remain KiLAT for a long time.
I would have stood my ground, gathered my guns, posted clippage of technical gtr wizardry, then slam Whitestrat, diss his gear and then tell him he ain't getting away with such slanderous comments!!!!!!!!!!
But my toneczar openhaus is here...
I got no time for SOFT now.
Cheerio!
