For Pro Tools user

[sj2six]

Pro Tools user like me, get ready...!!

New Look!!
Use more plug-ins without bussing, with access to 10 inserts per channel!!
Elastic Pitch!!
LE can expand to 7.1 surround mixing option!!
More tracks than ever!!
And more...

Meet the new Pro Tools® 8 — the most advanced audio creation and production software, featuring a gorgeous new interface; dozens of new plug-ins; five new virtual instruments; exciting new scoring, MIDI, editing, and mixing capabilities; deeper controller integration; improved ease of installation and use; and enhanced performance. With Pro Tools 8, you get the most comprehensive music and sound creation features and functionality, and the proven, dedicated platform for world-class audio production — all in a single application. Pro Tools 8 is coming soon for Pro Tools|HD®, Pro Tools LE®, and Pro Tools M-Powered™ systems, so get ready — you’ll never work with audio the same way again.

Coming Soon...

For more details:
http://www.digidesign.com/index.cfm?navid=48&langid=100&itemid=35270,
http://www.digidesign.com/index.cfm?langid=100&navid=399

 

[Cheez]

Unfortunately, it's still 32-bit.

 

[bREADtalK]

digidesign wont give ppl what they want at one shot
still can't freezing plug-in....sure it's a big problem for LE and M powerd users..

 

[alshit]

Pro tools is not bad, but i don't really get why the industry pro likes it so much. To me, they are rather not as user friendly as the other DAW and tends to give alot of problems both soft and hardware wise. And the real downside, is that you have to LL use their hardware interface in order to use them, it is something which i seriously don't like.

 

[audio_fuzz]

Hi alshit..depanding on what you are working with, everyone will have a DAW that they are more comfortable with. For example, over the years I've used Sonar, Cubase/Nuendo, Logic, etc. but I personally still finds that ProTools is the most user friendly DAW that I've ever used. But of course I work mostly with audio recording and mixing. At times I do some MIDI sequencing and for this case, I personally would prefer to work them on Cubase. The most common DAW that is used to compare ProTools would be Logic. Then here you will realise that most musicians will prefer Logic. To me, ProTools is a engineer's tool and Logic is a musician's tool.

I've used ProTools HD, LE, M-Powered, with Digidesign H/W from Control|24, HD192, Digi001/002/003 and ProjectMix and I have not encounter any H/W-S/W problem all these years. So I was kinda surprised hearing negative comments about the H/W-S/W. The advantage of Digidesign DAW system is that the H/W is specifically designed to work with the S/W, and vice-versa, hence, we just need to plug and play, thus, eliminate any problem given by S/W with third party H/W or addtional setup. And most importantly, it also prevents piracy of the S/W.

Well, when I was working in US, I was pretty why everyone is using ProTools? So I asked around and most of them have the same feedbacks that ProTools is very straight-forward, easy to work on (esp. large proj), Stablity, Automation, editing features and love the linkage between the S/W and the H/W.

Of course, products from Digidesign are a little bit pricey either, but it's products are also not some cheap low-quality stuffs. Then again, those who are always seeking out for those free or pirated/cracked S/W will always be commenting that Digidesign is trying to market their products high up.

Just my personally 2 cent worth of view and experiences & feedbacks from other professionals.

 

[audio_fuzz]

To explain why PT is the industry standard today, we have to go back to history.

Steinberg's Cubase was the first MIDI sequencer with the graphic interface that is universal today. They didn't invent it, but they were the first to apply it to MIDI, and later to audio sequencing. All the way through Steinberg's company history, they have sold largely into the 'hobbyist' market. Granted, many professionals have used Cubase, and still do, but that's not where the company makes its bread and butter.

Contrast that with Digidesign. Digidesign started out making new sound chips for drum machines. But then they came up with Sound Designer, which initially was a sample editing program. But Sound Designer soon acquired the ability to record and edit stereo audio, and suddenly the world had changed.

Digidesign rapidly orientated themselves towards the fully pro market, and the acquisition of the company by Avid - top players in broadcast video - sealed that. When Pro Tools first came out, it was for pros from day one, and in fact Digidesign had already incorporated the requirements of professionals, which they found out through an extensive process of consultation.

To cut the story short, any software that sells into the pro market must have the features that pros need, and without any clutter caused by superfluous gimmicks. And if it doesn't cut the ice with the pros, then they won't buy it - no amount of marketing will make them buy something they can see is not going to work for them.

Software sold into the amateur market on the other hand is sold almost entirely by marketing. The buyer takes it on trust that it will work as promised. Mostly it does, but with the burden of many 'features' that are simply not necessary, and many 'quick' options that only encourage the production of cookie-cutter music.

 

[Cheez]

In the end, it's all about preference for workflow and user interface. Most DAW software nowadays are pretty stable. And for pro work, if one were to use plugins (for sound engineer purposes), they would usually be 3rd party plugins anyway instead of bundled ones (and I believe many times hardware instead of software). And most of these 3rd party plugins come in RTAS/VST/AU formats anyway. Logic is also a little slow, seeing all these Macs are now using Xeon processors. Logicdroid, any comments here?

But it just puzzles me why Digidesign is so slow in moving into 64 bit, seeing that they are claiming to be the "industry standard". Cakewalk, often labelled for the non-pro market, has already been on 64-bit for more than 3 years and is supporting 64-bit for TWO versions of Sonar now. Steinberg has also joined the party of 64-bit.

Audio_fuzz, I like your explanation on ProTools being an engineer's tool instead of a musician's tool. Workflow differs a lot depending on which perspective we work from. Problem with us musicians is that we do sound engineering work only for the sake of doing it. Our focus is still on music making. It's about time musicians start taking sound engineering seriously. But then, sound engineers need their jobs right?

 

[unsane]

PT may be the "industry standard" but there are plenty of well known producers using other daws...david bendeth (paramore/underoath etc) uses nuendo, machine uses logic etc

elastic audio is absolutely awesome and is why i have a small m-powered rig for editing, but its pretty unbelievable that LE and M-powered dont have any plugin delay compensation..thats a deal breaker for me and many others..i'm not going to break my workflow to nudge tracks around or waste CPU on delay adjusters/mellowmuse plugins when every other DAW has delay comp as a standard! thats not really "pro" by any definition..

theres a huge topic on gearslutz about this, some guy claims that delay comp could be written into the coding in about ten minutes. its simply a ploy to cripple LE/M-powered in favor of the HD systems (which dont always get the delay comp right supposedly)

but yeah, completely wrong to imply that non PT users are the "amateur" market or just looking to use cracked S/W. some just dont want to be forced to spend $20k on a HD rig to have basic functionality like ADC that comes standard even on a nearly-free DAW like reaper, or be locked into using digi hardware when there are better i/o or convertor options available for less...

 

[audio_fuzz]

nonono..i did not say those who don't use ProTools are not pros alrite. Wat I've provided above is talking about "history". What I'm trying to explain is that when DAW first appear, Steinberg started as a MIDI sequencer mainly targeting the 'hobbylist'. In contrast, Digidesign began to target the professionals first. The past doesn't not have so many choice of DAW as we do have today. So engineers picked up ProTools and got the hang on it fast. Soon most studio runs ProTools and hence it became the preferred DAW back then. And since most studio run ProTools, new generation engineer learn ProTools too. So one generation after another, ProTools reamained as the most commonly used DAW in the industry, hence, having it's title as "the industry standard".

But today, despite that there are quite a number of choice of DAW available in the market, ProTools still remains in most studio because older engineers like us are used with it and comfortable with it, most do not wish to make a change to new working environment. Therefore, schools follows this tradition teaching ProTools and thus new guys continues the ProTools trend.
Reason that most of us do not wish to quit the ProTools thingy is mainly because most major DAW work pretty much the same. Maybe one day some developer comes out with a totally different DAW that can provide a even faster work-flow, a next-level kinda thing, then maybe ProTools might be kicked out that day. But who knows maybe Digidesign might be the one that comes out with this kind of DAW again..haha..

Conclusion, with some many choices today, pick what you are comfortable with, because time is money in this industry. The more comfortable you are with your choice, the faster you can produce your artifacts, and thus, the more projects you can take on. All the best, good luck!

 

[sj2six]

wahaha..hey relac man..I'm starting this thread just to inform ProTools user (if there is any) about ver8, why so many people starting to attack...haha...

 

[unsane]

no la im not attacking, just thought it was an interesting topic.

personally i can't do anything on LE because of the plugin latency, do any other of you LE users feel the same way?

 

[logicdroid]

Logic is also a little slow, seeing all these Macs are now using Xeon processors. Logicdroid, any comments here?

Hey mateeys!

I've not used Xeons, so I can't comment on that..(on my wish list) I'm using only macbooks w/o any ext hds in my workshops and they're good enough.
A Pt user (plastic) commented here: http://www.macusersg.org/forums/index.php?topic=46520.0

At home, I don't usually need more than 4Gbytes RAM unless working on orchestral stuff so 32bit's still fine for me.

I think the starter of this thread wanted to highlight new features in Ptle which he did not get to enjoy in previous versions and wishes to share his joy. Cheers mate!

With technology moving so quickly, it'll only be a matter of years before all the DAWs (not LEs) will have all features. It will eventually boil down to workflow and budget Imo.

I don't worry about industry standards because at the end of the day we have to enjoy what we've set out to do and with whatever we can afford.
PT uses 48 bit fixed point whereas Logic 32 bit floating point calculations. Which one sounds better? Up to the individual.

I believe what we're doing here is give sound advise through our own hard earned experience, and clinical argument is always the best way to achieve that.

I'm a musician hence Protools has never been my choice.

Cheers!
R.

 

[logicdroid]

I'm a musician hence Protools has never been my choice.

Sorry, What I meant to say is: I work on MIDI as much as Audio hence Protools has never been my choice. My bad.