Fewer DIY gigs nowadays

[DeathCubeK]

The vid didn't tell me anything about Metal in general. I'm not a fan of death/black metal, but I won't go to that extent to insult it. I listen to tonnes of metal bands, if you don't then maybe you are just not cut out to listen to great music. Sorry.

 

[EngelFaeuste]

jskadiang

Let's see, head back to the rooster. Who took the potshot first. Sure as hell wasn't me. Then you butted in with a cheap shot at me. I take offense easily, not afraid to admit it, won't get to me beyond this forum though, so don't get too gleeful.

Quit being sore that I used the societal card before you did.

I don't claim to listen to underground doom, and I find doom metal boring, too slow. I openly tell everyone that I love thrash, death and power metal. The last one raises a LOT of eyebrows in most kvlt circles.

 

[jskadiang]

It kinda was you who took the first shot, because his post was in no way directed at you but you had to get all defensive and claim that people have to be able to play the music to have an opinion on it.

And why would I be sore about you using the societal thing? It was exactly my point that the point about society having to do with liking a genre of music is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard.

 

[kimura]

Ya'll should try to get hold of The Decline Of The Western Civilization II : The Heavy Metal Years. Kick back& enjoy.

 

[EngelFaeuste]

It kinda was you who took the first shot, because his post was in no way directed at you but you had to get all defensive and claim that people have to be able to play the music to have an opinion on it.

And why would I be sore about you using the societal thing? It was exactly my point that the point about society having to do with liking a genre of music is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard.

It was directed at metal. Read his comment "What does this tell you about death metal or metal in general?" Condescending words, which I feel, gives me the right to do the same in retaliation.

Society molds your ability to openly criticize and put down certain things. It's a little hard to run around in Umea screaming "METAL IS FOR IDIOTS" and not get beaten up. In Singapore, you'd probably get cheered on by your fellow sinkies, get it?

Anyway, Darrell (Ized) just reminded me to check fire, yea, so you too, CHECK FIRE.

 

[ellie]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A43JOxLa5MM

what does this tell you about death metal (or metal in general)

while this post has offended many of the Singapore Metal Pioneers, it has given me a great idea to use on stage.

anyway i have chosen to take back my words, seeing that there is no point arguing against skilled and experienced musicians about a subject that they definitely know much more about.

I am not a performing a musician, and therefore my opinions on the Singapore music scene must be wrong.

I hereby would like to make an apology to EngelFaeuste, dudelove, and all other musicians who are more experienced than me.

 

[van_halen]

it amazes me how people can insult metal and get lots of approving nods from others yet when people criticise rap objectively, they get ridiculed/criticised/frowned upon for being "close minded".

 

[daryle]

it amazes me how people can insult metal and get away with it (and even get lots of approving nods from others) yet when people criticise rap objectively, they get ridiculed/criticised/frowned upon for being "close minded".

Metal has lost it's unique and "New" vibe.

1) way too many bands call themselves "metal" and actually sound like shit.

2) way too many bands attempt to imitate the good metal bands from the 80s (before the music died) and actually sound like shit

3) way too many people attempt to give themselves the "hardcore" image by listening to what they perceive as "metal" when actually they listen to shit bands

The result? The word "Metal" has become cliche. Whether you want to blame it on the Nu-Metal losers, the "Hardcore" pussies or whoever ruined it is up to you. But it's a fact. Metal has become too cliche.

What you're facing here is the exact same thing that happened with Rock and Roll. It was new and exciting before the 80s (before the music died) and then we had disgusting pussies like Simple Plan labelling themselves rock and it was all ruined.

Metal isn't new anymore. Death isn't new anymore. It's becoming overused. And thus, you have the appropriate critics for the appropriate situation.

 

[van_halen]

^ the problem isn't with Metal per se (i'm talking about true Metal). it's with the poseur bands, who are NOT Metal yet trying to pass off as Metal. if people have a problem differentiating between real and fake Metal, then it's really their problem, not Metal's problem.

 

[daryle]

^ the problem isn't with Metal per se (i'm talking about true Metal). it's with the poseur bands, who are NOT Metal yet trying to pass off as Metal. if people have a problem differentiating between real and fake Metal, then it's really their problem, not Metal's problem.

It's not Metal's problem we all know.

But let's face it: They've destroyed the face of the genre.

We, being the wiser, we know what good metal is and what isn't actually good metal.

But are the younger kids going to know? No. I mean seriously: No way they're going to know. Seeing that the modern bands calling themselves metal are actually shit, they'll conclude that the whole genre hasn't got anything worth their time to begin with. And there we have it: the death of another genre.



If you think about it, it's not a bad thing. You see, i've always hypothesized that for every trend, there is a 3-stage cycle:

Stage one
This is the stage where the trend has just started. It is still very fresh and exciting at this point. And the people that embrace it have in fact distinguished themselves and successfully expressed their unique personality and the desire to be whatever they want to be.

Stage two
People start to notice the trend and it become more and more popular. Douchebags start to notice that the trend is becoming more and more popular and begin to embrace it in hopes of boosting their own popularity. The Population of the trend grows tremendously over a short time.

Stage three
Too many people are following the same trend such that it has become the norm of the society. It is no longer unique. It is soon seen as cliche, and the younger generations begin to cast it aside. The trend's population suddenly dwindles. And although you are now left with only the same people that first embraced the trend, its face has been ruined forever. THANKS TO DOUCEBAGS.

 

[van_halen]

^ interesting. but anyway the true spirit of rock n roll and metal will always live on. who cares about the douchebags and trends? they can play and listen to their own "music", we'll play and listen to ours. rock and metal have never been about embracing trends anyway, that's why we still rock on and continue headbanging despite changing trends and fashion, that's why there will always be a small pocket of rockers and metalheads to continue the legacy. rock never dies and metal never fades away.

 

[daryle]

^ interesting. but anyway the true spirit of rock n roll and metal will always live on. who cares about the douchebags and trends? they can play and listen to their own "music", we'll play and listen to ours. rock and metal have never been about embracing trends anyway, that's why we still rock on and continue headbanging despite changing trends and fashion, that's why there will always be a small pocket of rockers and metalheads to continue the legacy. rock never dies and metal never fades away.

I respect the genres. and i respect the way you think too.

However, my opinion is much the contrary. I strongly believe that the music has died. And it's not coming back.

If i ever were to establish a foothold in the music scene here, i will declare myself as ONLY paying tribute to the music.

Never will i dare call myself a musician. I'm not, never will be. I'm just paying tribute.

 

[kimura]

This is an interesting thread.

My (humbled) opinion is that genres of music never die, they evolve. Yea, some may have 'evolved' into something that's unrecognizable from its roots but there're still elements inan evolved music that exhibits where it came from.

Then there are misconceptions. For example, the line between Punk as a music genre and Punk as an 'attitude' is most often blurred these days.

You can play say,Jazz but if you have a punk attitude about it i.e. DIY,Pushing the boundaries etc then you're a Punk, in a positive way.

You see, heavy metal evolved from rock bands like Sabbath,Led Zep& they inturn evolved from the RockNrOLL bands before them by incorporating blues,jazz & adding an edgier sound. Progressive metal has its roots in jazz, followed by fusion ( which infact is progressive ). They incorporated Classical influence in regards to arrangements i.e. with the dynamics, time/key sigs etc.

Drumming patterns another example, evolve from the indigenous people into the 'mutil-colored' rhythms we have now.

Music ( any ) never dies. Music evolve.

 

[hifi_killer]

daryle, I think thats a rather conservative opinion you have there.

If you think about it, it's not a bad thing. You see, i've always hypothesized that for every trend, there is a 3-stage cycle:

Stage one
This is the stage where the trend has just started. It is still very fresh and exciting at this point. And the people that embrace it have in fact distinguished themselves and successfully expressed their unique personality and the desire to be whatever they want to be.

Stage two
People start to notice the trend and it become more and more popular. Douchebags start to notice that the trend is becoming more and more popular and begin to embrace it in hopes of boosting their own popularity. The Population of the trend grows tremendously over a short time.

Stage three
Too many people are following the same trend such that it has become the norm of the society. It is no longer unique. It is soon seen as cliche, and the younger generations begin to cast it aside. The trend's population suddenly dwindles. And although you are now left with only the same people that first embraced the trend, its face has been ruined forever. THANKS TO DOUCEBAGS.

Its called commericialization, it happens to artists generations before metal, in elvis, beatles , rollingstones.

If your purpose of listening to music is to feel a sense of uniqueness or to announce to the world how unique you are. Well then that isnt the 'music' that we all know.
Good music and popular music are not mutually exclusive. If a piece of music is good who cares if there are 138147172476 'douchebags' who are fans of it?

Music from the past has been overrated.There are just as much crappy music from the past as there are in the present, but thats just my opinion

But then again, music is an art, its subjective. You cant objectively say Jonas brothers are better/worse than "insert 80s metal band"

theres a reason why people get tired of certain forms of music , and why it 'self destruct', and from the ashes of it emerges new music. Whatever the reason is, it is a step forward. If every present metal band starts to sound like black sabbath, then that is a step backwards.

Societies move on, so does the arts they carry.

 

[Gaara]

I have got to agree with this post

 

[van_halen]

metal does not evolve into nu-metal. metal evolves into more complex metal. nu-metal is not metal. the "evolution" of metal into nu-metal is an evolution of trends, not evolution of the genre. we need to stop mixing up entirely different genres of music and "music".