Drummers, BETCHA CAN'T PLAY THIS!!!

i do see him open out your exercise book to practice but he just plays what he feels like playing and somehow seems to be reading at the same time. he basically plays the same things over and over again. he has mastered his double strokes which i taught him how to when i entered mdc but other than that he doesn't practice. once i a while i show him a few fills and make him practice it. that's the best i can do:)

Ah, great, at least he is going the exercises I gave him. As for the doubles, he is no way near mastering it....still very unclean and pretty much only executable at one dynamic range. I think the main problem is that he isn't spending enough time behind the kit and he needs to learn to stick to a routine.
 
Ah, great, at least he is going the exercises I gave him. As for the doubles, he is no way near mastering it....still very unclean and pretty much only executable at one dynamic range. I think the main problem is that he isn't spending enough time behind the kit and he needs to learn to stick to a routine.

yea that is his major problem. even if he practices he just tries a few exercises until he loses patience and goes back to square one playing whatever he already knows. how do you handle such students? as far as i can see, he is one of the hardest drummers to educate.
 
What is your personal opinion of his style, musicality and technique?

i like how he blast beat through the song. blast beating in songs is pretty common in metal but i like how he make the song really unique. dunno whether its the guy whacking the metal trashcan. but his good.
 
My Opinion

yea that is true. that is the difference between being technical and musical. the idea is to find a balance between both. Taking metal for example, some drummers master the technique that is needed for playing blast beats and spam it throughout most of the song. That is being too technical especially if the song does not ask for that amount of technicality. on the other hand, people like joey jordison uses the technique more musically than others and that is where he shows the balance. when it comes to metal music, it is difficult to make out this difference due to the nature of the style of drumming so it depends also on how much the drummer is able to control himself. One drummer you should check out who uses the double pedals tastefully and appropriately would be Simon Phillips. go check him out and give me your say on his techniques and musicality. the idea is this... when it comes to drumming, there is a limited number of techniques that you can master and orchestrate around the kit. the first thing to note is how you use those techniques musically and tastefully to suit the music. the second thing to note and which i see in a lot of drummers is that they do not know how to hold back. they spam the techniques and then have nothing else left to show and then they end up repeating their fills or solos. the maturity comes in being able to hold back those techniques and only give it when needed.
 
Matt has already improved from the first time I met him....although very slowly, the point is that he has managed to put in some effort and pushed himself a little. And I have students who are moving even slower than him...but if you have the patience as a teacher, ultimately, there will be improvements. I really don't believe in that crap where students are screened... Imagine if every top pro in the world can offer the same amount of time imparting students of every level?? I can only think of positive things really....

There aren't really "difficult" students in my opinion. Everyone student has different ways of learning and therefore, they all need to be paced differently. The important thing is you (as a teacher) must be able to identify their unique characteristics in the shortest time possible so that no one loses precious time and motivation.
 
Oops, Bruce, I think I should've made it clearer. I am referring to commercial music schools and not a credited institution of any kind. I have attended a formal credited institution and I understand why the need for auditions etc. But in the commercial/public sector, students at all levels should have the opportunity to learn from the pros too (whoever is available).

If you are an extremely popular teacher and is high on demand, then create a waiting list (or even raise your fees) and let potential students queue up for your time. But screening students based on their learning abilities can in turn demoralize potential students who might not be, in the beginning, prove to be capable (based on the teacher's standards). I think the minute you step into the commercial educational market here, then you have made a decision to educate. Screening students based on their abilities is a form of discrimination in my opinion. Its like basically trying to find an easier way to make the same money. In my opinion, everyone deserves the same learning opportunity from anyone. Some students may not have the ability get to a certain level of playing due to certain reasons, but why should he or she be stopped from having the opportunity to try from the beginning? Also, on the side, how would you know from that initial stage of screening that the beginner will not have the potential to even supersede your own skills? I say, just give everyone a shot!

QUOTE:-"Schools have grades that progress students through the learning stages, so it is for those who teach drums. You wouldn't get your master's degree from the same school that taught you your 'ABCs', just as much as you wouldn't have the same teacher, too. "

I have to disagree with this statement. We are discussing about music education in the commercial sector. You can find very pro musicians who can take a beginner to a bachelors degree level with no problems (within the same school). You just need to know where to look.
 
Matt has already improved from the first time I met him....although very slowly, the point is that he has managed to put in some effort and pushed himself a little. And I have students who are moving even slower than him...but if you have the patience as a teacher, ultimately, there will be improvements. I really don't believe in that crap where students are screened... Imagine if every top pro in the world can offer the same amount of time imparting students of every level?? I can only think of positive things really....

There aren't really "difficult" students in my opinion. Everyone student has different ways of learning and therefore, they all need to be paced differently. The important thing is you (as a teacher) must be able to identify their unique characteristics in the shortest time possible so that no one loses precious time and motivation.

very well put in my opinion. i guess one more thing is that he is my really good friend and that makes it even harder to impart the knowledge. he doesn't take me seriously:)
 
Hi Bruce, you mentioned GPA and master degrees so I misunderstood that u misunderstood me. Sorry about that.

As for the entire screening thing, I was speaking about Drumbassador's friend who is enrolled in a commercial school. But ultimately, I still don't see why any teacher should have a screen whereby they only take advanced students. I attended one of Virgil's group classes and he even had 10 year olds in the class. Of course, it's up to every individual and it's none of my business but i am just voicing out my opinions. If there are no such screenings, everyone can benefit...that's my point.
 
Yup, I didn't understand the use of GPA and masters degree because like you said, we weren't talking about universities here so in my opinion, there is no need for screening of standards. Unless of course like u said, the teacher has no abilities to take on advanced level students. But then again, we are talking about pros working as teachers who are only interested to take on advanced or not "difficult" students.

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"Some "pros" do that because they want to teach students who have already achieved a certain level of proficiency." Quote

My question is why??

Virgil's so called master class had a stack of notes that covered basic stuff to advanced level exercises. So he had all bases covered, otherwise I wouldn't take him as an example. And just like I said about giving everyone a shot; try it before deciding on anything (it gives the students a chance to try and decide for themselves too). That's exactly what Virgil did in Melbourne. So if like u said, the kids get wowed seeing the possibilities, he would be motivated to pursue the instrument to a higher level. How many stories have we read about the current pros being wowed by buddy rich and max roach when they were kids and then went on to try to achieve higher levels of playing for themselves?

To me, I still think there is no real need to screen students based on their learning abilities. If I have decided to take the path as an educator, then I should make myself available to students of all levels. I still believe everyone derserves the same opportunity to learn. I know it's up to every individual but until someone can tell me a more convincing answer than that, I still think everyone derserves attention from any pro who is teaching, beginner or not, "easy" or "difficult"...
 
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...To me, I still think there is no real need to screen students based on their learning abilities. If I have decided to take the path as an educator, then I should make myself available to students of all levels. I still believe everyone derserves the same opportunity to learn. I know it's up to every individual but until someone can tell me a more convincing answer than that, I still think everyone derserves attention from any pro who is teaching, beginner or not, "easy" or "difficult"...

Bravo. Aye. Aye. That is the difference between an educator and a teacher. For every educator out there, there are many teachers, who just plain teaches.

While the lines may be blurry to many, it is not to me and I am glad that you are truly trying to make a difference in everyone's life in the ways you can and know how.

Hats off and boat loads to respect and power to ya.
 
well in my opinion the only thing "cool" about it is the speed of his feet. other than that the hands are only playing simple patterns not that this guy isn't good. he is fine but not to the extent of kicking another drummer's b***. just a shout out to all those metal fans out there. this is not the fist time i am coming across such guys. i have a suggestion....please listen to other genres of music and expose yourself to what other styles of playing other drummers are good at. you will really be surprised. well take myself for example. i started off listening to Lamb of God and was a serious metal head. now i listen to Dave Weckl and Dennis Chambers to name a few. from metal to jazz fusion. not to say metal is not good or anything like that. the idea is to break out of the little box and explore the outside world. trust me that is what makes the difference. if any metal heads want to flame me now go ahead. like i said i am not putting down metal:)
 
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