HeartRockSingapore
New member
Good commercial opportunity Bernard..
Dear Mr Bitter Liberty - Pls dont devalue local musicians!!
- Thread starter bigtokes2003
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Beer and Gigs
2 cents in 3 points
1. Like what Mikeman said - Lets hear out what Bitter Liberty has to say. IMHO if money's changed hands, then he should return it, until a time when the gig is confirmed. Bitterliberty can approach the bands if they are still interested after he's got firm dates and check for interest again.
2. The challenge has been issued that we can all put together a gig if we want to. Some costs reflected, which can explore. Possible? Any takers? I didn't get the R/R 2005/2006 part from heartrock, maybe can clarify?
3. The call to beer!!! AgingYouth, embryo, bigtokes - attack!!!
Anyway - if the guys a kid, i suggest we cut him a little slack, but not too much if we establish he tried to pull a fast one.
Yo Bitterliberty - you should respond.
2 cents in 3 points
1. Like what Mikeman said - Lets hear out what Bitter Liberty has to say. IMHO if money's changed hands, then he should return it, until a time when the gig is confirmed. Bitterliberty can approach the bands if they are still interested after he's got firm dates and check for interest again.
2. The challenge has been issued that we can all put together a gig if we want to. Some costs reflected, which can explore. Possible? Any takers? I didn't get the R/R 2005/2006 part from heartrock, maybe can clarify?
3. The call to beer!!! AgingYouth, embryo, bigtokes - attack!!!
Anyway - if the guys a kid, i suggest we cut him a little slack, but not too much if we establish he tried to pull a fast one.
Yo Bitterliberty - you should respond.
HeartRockSingapore
New member
Hi Gargle,
actually has chosen to reply on the other thread two days ago. It was very convincing as his earliest posting if you don't read between the lines. Giving him the benefit of doubt to clear his name and put things right, I posted some questions after he responded. If he is what he claims to be, he should come clean after responding clearly, without ambiguity to my list of questions.
As to RR 04/05, this was a gig organized by this community last year and RR05/06 is the 2nd in this series. Izaar of Fatskunks will be issuing the notice of meeting to get the RR05/06 going. We all register ourselves here and we will set a date, time and place to meet, select the committee and delegate respective responsibilities and there we go.
actually has chosen to reply on the other thread two days ago. It was very convincing as his earliest posting if you don't read between the lines. Giving him the benefit of doubt to clear his name and put things right, I posted some questions after he responded. If he is what he claims to be, he should come clean after responding clearly, without ambiguity to my list of questions.
As to RR 04/05, this was a gig organized by this community last year and RR05/06 is the 2nd in this series. Izaar of Fatskunks will be issuing the notice of meeting to get the RR05/06 going. We all register ourselves here and we will set a date, time and place to meet, select the committee and delegate respective responsibilities and there we go.
AgingYouth
New member
Yeshhh, gargle, he's about half your age. I think so is everyone here in general! Hahaha!!! Okay, tt's being age-ist.
Supposed to meet Randolf at Historia on Sat but had recording till 12am and had to check out a private party.
How's bigtokes and his boys eh? I met the one (the one with the chunky earrings) whom you have an unusually close relationship with a few months ago for beer. He's da bomb lah...
Supposed to meet Randolf at Historia on Sat but had recording till 12am and had to check out a private party.
How's bigtokes and his boys eh? I met the one (the one with the chunky earrings) whom you have an unusually close relationship with a few months ago for beer. He's da bomb lah...
bernardgoh
New member
HeartRockSingapore said:
Don't get me wrong..... i mean with that kinda money, i can do more. not just gigs. mmm.... maybe you can tell us how to get organise gigs. Think i'll be able to do if i get the approriate sponsors that you got.
just a tot. peace man.
hey ho let`s go!!!!!!!
RR is ROCKING RESOLUTIONS....it`s a BIG event..organised by us...ermm..majorly by Izaar from FATSKUNKS.....
it`s like a stepping stone for new bands..a chance to perform...
it was discussed by fellow softies here late last yr..coz we were not given any chance to play in any gigs....so in the end...fork out our own money..rented equipments.(from mikemann...thanx mike!!!)..had the help by anthony(HeartRockS`pore..very very very big thanx)..n James(Mr.SOFT..a very very very big thanx also)..we got the venue...got the gig going....
it was a 10-hr gig...so yeah..lotsa bands benefit from RR`05..including mine...bands like Subway Stars,FATSKUNKS,Rusty Nailz,Cherokee,GLITCHED(my band),Documentary In Amber,ScreamFront,Streetsites,BlackDuctape...
..u can check it out under the PHOTOS section...under page 4
:lol:
but this yr we`re hoping to get sponsors...so that the bands dun have to fork out any cash to play...HOPING......no promises....
but yeah...new infos abt this event will be posted soon...no worries it`s open to all...esp. NEW BANDS.... :lol: :lol: :lol:
RR is ROCKING RESOLUTIONS....it`s a BIG event..organised by us...ermm..majorly by Izaar from FATSKUNKS.....
it`s like a stepping stone for new bands..a chance to perform...
it was discussed by fellow softies here late last yr..coz we were not given any chance to play in any gigs....so in the end...fork out our own money..rented equipments.(from mikemann...thanx mike!!!)..had the help by anthony(HeartRockS`pore..very very very big thanx)..n James(Mr.SOFT..a very very very big thanx also)..we got the venue...got the gig going....
it was a 10-hr gig...so yeah..lotsa bands benefit from RR`05..including mine...bands like Subway Stars,FATSKUNKS,Rusty Nailz,Cherokee,GLITCHED(my band),Documentary In Amber,ScreamFront,Streetsites,BlackDuctape...
..u can check it out under the PHOTOS section...under page 4
:lol:
but this yr we`re hoping to get sponsors...so that the bands dun have to fork out any cash to play...HOPING......no promises....
but yeah...new infos abt this event will be posted soon...no worries it`s open to all...esp. NEW BANDS.... :lol: :lol: :lol:
stillwater
New member
from how things goes...
some things are rather obvious :lol:
some things are rather obvious :lol:
HeartRockSingapore
New member
This is the reply from Bitterliberty. Please read carefully and understand the implication. My questions are on the next page.
bitterliberty said:
HeartRockSingapore
New member
This were my questions...
Dear Mr Bitterliberty,
Your clarification does not help quite clear the air. It will be good for you if you can clear some ambiguity because that will help you in gaining integrity. This is very important in business. Let me try to help by listing a few things so that bands can have a better understanding.
Renting a club or pub...what does that mean? You get exclusive rights to use of the club? All proceeds for that night, walk in as well as those brought in by the bands are credited to you? Who sells the alcoholic drinks? The club or you? How much for first drink and how much for subsequent? What is the capacity of the club? What kind of alcoholic drink you will be giving for the amount charge? Is this beverage sponsored or you have to purchase them?
You also mention Rock Auditorium. They don't sell alcoholic drink there, so are you going to serve alcoholic beverages?
So is you 25 pax x $20 applies to all situation or in particular to the club situation? Are you saying that Rock Production Pte Ltd charges the use of the auditorium at the same rate you are paying for the club at Explanade?
What kind of equipment you get for $400/- and what kind of soundman you get for $200/-?
I don't think the list is exhaustive, but do yourself a favour, clarify them.
Dear Mr Bitterliberty,
Your clarification does not help quite clear the air. It will be good for you if you can clear some ambiguity because that will help you in gaining integrity. This is very important in business. Let me try to help by listing a few things so that bands can have a better understanding.
Renting a club or pub...what does that mean? You get exclusive rights to use of the club? All proceeds for that night, walk in as well as those brought in by the bands are credited to you? Who sells the alcoholic drinks? The club or you? How much for first drink and how much for subsequent? What is the capacity of the club? What kind of alcoholic drink you will be giving for the amount charge? Is this beverage sponsored or you have to purchase them?
You also mention Rock Auditorium. They don't sell alcoholic drink there, so are you going to serve alcoholic beverages?
So is you 25 pax x $20 applies to all situation or in particular to the club situation? Are you saying that Rock Production Pte Ltd charges the use of the auditorium at the same rate you are paying for the club at Explanade?
What kind of equipment you get for $400/- and what kind of soundman you get for $200/-?
I don't think the list is exhaustive, but do yourself a favour, clarify them.
AgingYouth
New member
Hey, what happened to those guys who wanted to form an union for musicians and organise gigs and all? Any news?
fgl
Well-known member
There already is a Singaopre Musician's Union - but it is sleeping...was approached to jion before, went down for one of their meetings & decided it was a waste of tyme. The keyboard player in my "cari makan" band Mr Charlie Anchant used to be past treasurer...
Look at the amount of "foreign talent" we have on our shores while the local musos - especially the full tyme players have to live from contract to contract .... at the whims of club owners looking at the "bottom line" of 3 sexy nubile singers & 1 guy playing the entirely sequenced music...
y'all noe wat i mean..?
Look at the amount of "foreign talent" we have on our shores while the local musos - especially the full tyme players have to live from contract to contract .... at the whims of club owners looking at the "bottom line" of 3 sexy nubile singers & 1 guy playing the entirely sequenced music...
y'all noe wat i mean..?
AgingYouth
New member
Hmmm... sounds strangely familiar... Paulaner's?
Unions?
Don't know if the union thing is a priority, IMHO. IF the purpose of the union is to use collective bargaining to gain fair compensation for bands, then i think as a group, bands can decide and agree amongst themselves, without the formation of a union. who heads the union? what powers would the union have? does the union collect fees? What if a Union member breaks the "rules" of the Union? GEt kicked out? Pressure tactics? Can of worms if you ask me. I've had sufficient experience with Unions/ Associations/ industry groupings to know that what can start out as a good idea can quickly lose steam - the small core of committed members may burn out unless there are enough interested to carry the burden when needed. There would be those that are deeply invovled, then those that may be free riders. Some would feel they want to be more involved, but good intentions alone may not be enough... Many things to consider.
I just think it needs more thought when we consider to form a Union and then not really achieve the objectives, which at this stage may still be unclear. Without some discussion on a charter or code of ethics, and vision - i'd be more inclined to do some good for musicians in a coalition of the willing coming forward to help in any way it can - from musicians to organizers, from fans just wanting to help out to volunteers, from ad guys to marketing guys ... anyone who has an interest would have a role to play. and anyone who initiates an idea decides how it should be managed to get the best opportunities possible for local music.
If you have an idea - but can't gather the support, then perhaps it would be food for thought.
But thats just me - i'd prefer trying without a formal structure first. if its not possible, then maybe we look at alternatives. That being said, i'm still looking to see if we can develop that $50 per head idea to put together a gig. I think the money part is not the biggest problem, and there are those in this forum that can single-handedly put together a gig. But its the principle of everyone pitching in - even if it is to hand out flyers and taking care of drinks and food for the bands and organizer etc etc. Possible? I think so.
So lets start a list if you're willing to try it out put in your name indicating you're good for $50 and to take on part of the responsibility of putting together the gig:
1. gargle
We work out budgets and roles if there is sufficient interest.
Possible areas:
a. Gear
b. Bands
c. publicity
d. sound
e. logistics
f. venue
g. sponsorship???? / donations
h. coordination
Its not for profit - anything that is saved or if there is a nett gain (in case some angel decides to support this with $$), then it goes towards the next gig.
Don't know if the union thing is a priority, IMHO. IF the purpose of the union is to use collective bargaining to gain fair compensation for bands, then i think as a group, bands can decide and agree amongst themselves, without the formation of a union. who heads the union? what powers would the union have? does the union collect fees? What if a Union member breaks the "rules" of the Union? GEt kicked out? Pressure tactics? Can of worms if you ask me. I've had sufficient experience with Unions/ Associations/ industry groupings to know that what can start out as a good idea can quickly lose steam - the small core of committed members may burn out unless there are enough interested to carry the burden when needed. There would be those that are deeply invovled, then those that may be free riders. Some would feel they want to be more involved, but good intentions alone may not be enough... Many things to consider.
I just think it needs more thought when we consider to form a Union and then not really achieve the objectives, which at this stage may still be unclear. Without some discussion on a charter or code of ethics, and vision - i'd be more inclined to do some good for musicians in a coalition of the willing coming forward to help in any way it can - from musicians to organizers, from fans just wanting to help out to volunteers, from ad guys to marketing guys ... anyone who has an interest would have a role to play. and anyone who initiates an idea decides how it should be managed to get the best opportunities possible for local music.
If you have an idea - but can't gather the support, then perhaps it would be food for thought.
But thats just me - i'd prefer trying without a formal structure first. if its not possible, then maybe we look at alternatives. That being said, i'm still looking to see if we can develop that $50 per head idea to put together a gig. I think the money part is not the biggest problem, and there are those in this forum that can single-handedly put together a gig. But its the principle of everyone pitching in - even if it is to hand out flyers and taking care of drinks and food for the bands and organizer etc etc. Possible? I think so.
So lets start a list if you're willing to try it out put in your name indicating you're good for $50 and to take on part of the responsibility of putting together the gig:
1. gargle
We work out budgets and roles if there is sufficient interest.
Possible areas:
a. Gear
b. Bands
c. publicity
d. sound
e. logistics
f. venue
g. sponsorship???? / donations
h. coordination
Its not for profit - anything that is saved or if there is a nett gain (in case some angel decides to support this with $$), then it goes towards the next gig.
