Count Your Blessings - In Response To Gashaus Slamming
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MichaelAngelo
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popeye, i think wayne thunder is the boredphucks guy leh, i heard an album called Banned in da singapura...i think..when i was still in pri 6. 
teraslasch
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kudos for gashaus, so far from the gigs i know, the bands get paid. my band also got paid , depending on how many came.. then split door sales lolx.. great place to see thriving new local bands
litford
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Dude, you've gotta count your blessing, you still get paid even for a mere $27.50, and not the organizer charge you for performing gig there
And oh, btw, did you sign up soft just to answer this issue? :lol:
is that some aussie culture too? :lol:
you really have no idea what you're talking about do you? Wayne just said that they climbed up and down the stairs carrying their own equipment. that means, for Wayne, his entire drum kit, for their bassplayer, a 4x10 or 8x10 stack? for their guitarist, another stack or a heavy ass-ed tube amp? not to mention the sheer amount of money they saved up on their own to buy that equipment so that they can give a GOOD SOUND at a gig, for us the punters to enjoy.
and i pay you $27 to do all that shit shared between the three of them? (9 each) and what about the sound guy that they have to pay? count your blessings is this:
play for free at a venue that provides the entire backline just so you can help promote your band, almost like giving you a foot in the door to the scene already. plus, they don't hold auditions and you get to play even if you're shite.
sure australia is australia, and singapore is singapore, but Wayne has also shared valuable advice and is not trying to say we should follow the way aussies do things. just sharing an experience, that is bolstered by his band's professionalism and willingness to work hard for the success they achieved, and also for the love they have for their music.
and i dont know if anybody knows how hurting it is to tell someone that aussie is aussie and singapore is singapore, its like telling the guy that whatever he said has no value just because of a geographical or cultural difference. it really just shows one's myopia toward appreciating music. and i think Wayne has just shared an experience that's meant to inspire our budding scene and encouraging people that its not just rockstar dreams, but a boatload of work as well.
Almost every band in an independent scene has to work their guts out just to gain the exposure that they do. i appreciate what Wayne has said, because ive gigged with my own band here in perth and while my experiences are similar, they are not as extensive. and if anything, it has made me appreciate being more hardworking to promote my own band in singapore.
gsonique
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If an event organizer is driven to support a cause, he/she shall look into every means to provide the best before, during and after ...period!
After doin so if there were to be any feedback it should taken positively and pls learn to deal with empty critisism...patiently!
If its a club wanting to boost sale by in cooperating a platform for local muso's (well being a win-win situation) please do so with a transparent agenda and seek the advice of already available promoters and by having a third party in action and this will keep away mishaps/misunderstandings.
An event needs proper promo done way in-advance, avoiding clashes with orther gigs or similar events. Do proper planning, not poking on chance as it will flip and die ....
Seek bands that are wanting to give a good show and look into their past activities as a band, learn a little about their history...this will keep away surprises...the unwanted ones !!
Ask feedback from bands and audience alike and be true to your concept.
Finally have a good repo with the local law (events licencing & civil defense) by giving correct info before a gig ...this will be a blessing (trust me on this one).
Please do not expect musicians to lug their own 'heavy gear' for a gig, try cutting a deal with gear rental company or at least get used gear which a club should own if its into live music. This shall be the standard anywhere in the world ...if not its a RIP OFF !! You rather get a ghetto blaster and promote line dance
Keep a good tech around to help with glitches,...and for a small club, sound is not a big deal as a small mixer will do the trick. Make this into a platform as well for student's doin sound and pay them a token !
Set an age limit (according to local law) if you want to sell alcohol. If the underaged kids are your target then avoid alcohol altogether or set time slots and look for alternative ways of keeping the adult crowd in house after the gig.
Get able bodied men who are known in/part of the local scene to help with crowd control ... many will do so for a couple of free entries with drinks.
Finally ...Be a freind of the scene !!
My advice is derived from my own experience of doin gigs here and various places around the globe !
After doin so if there were to be any feedback it should taken positively and pls learn to deal with empty critisism...patiently!
If its a club wanting to boost sale by in cooperating a platform for local muso's (well being a win-win situation) please do so with a transparent agenda and seek the advice of already available promoters and by having a third party in action and this will keep away mishaps/misunderstandings.
An event needs proper promo done way in-advance, avoiding clashes with orther gigs or similar events. Do proper planning, not poking on chance as it will flip and die ....
Seek bands that are wanting to give a good show and look into their past activities as a band, learn a little about their history...this will keep away surprises...the unwanted ones !!
Ask feedback from bands and audience alike and be true to your concept.
Finally have a good repo with the local law (events licencing & civil defense) by giving correct info before a gig ...this will be a blessing (trust me on this one).
Please do not expect musicians to lug their own 'heavy gear' for a gig, try cutting a deal with gear rental company or at least get used gear which a club should own if its into live music. This shall be the standard anywhere in the world ...if not its a RIP OFF !! You rather get a ghetto blaster and promote line dance
Keep a good tech around to help with glitches,...and for a small club, sound is not a big deal as a small mixer will do the trick. Make this into a platform as well for student's doin sound and pay them a token !
Set an age limit (according to local law) if you want to sell alcohol. If the underaged kids are your target then avoid alcohol altogether or set time slots and look for alternative ways of keeping the adult crowd in house after the gig.
Get able bodied men who are known in/part of the local scene to help with crowd control ... many will do so for a couple of free entries with drinks.
Finally ...Be a freind of the scene !!
My advice is derived from my own experience of doin gigs here and various places around the globe !
theblueark
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Gooooot points. I love goose.
DoubleDecker
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Sorry, after all these replies... there is something else which I am also feeling very strongly about/against.
1. Costing and budgetting
In EVERY gig, there are costs to account for. In Wayne's case, the venue does not provide the necessary transportation and equipment support. Hence he has to seek his own avenue just to bring his band and equipment physically to the venue - which also means at his own cost.
In Gas Haus's situation, they have provided everything for you. (The quality of the equipments aside) This includes any transportation fees of equipment that you have to incur if you were to organize your own gig. All these costs has been absorbed by Gas Haus for a mere S$200 inclusive of location charge.
My main job is working in events mgmt - apart from music. Do you know a decent setup just for broadcast, consisting of 2 disc player, a compressor, an amplifier and only 2 mid-range speakers easily set you by S$300 and above? And that's exclusive of the location charge? (Yes, please do your research with events company. Take the time you have been complaining, walk along Orchard Road and ask every single roadshow crew!) If you are looking at renting your own transport, you could be looking at additional S$30 to S$50 for two way trips.
2. Music is international, it applies to ALL countries.
Stop this comparison about Australia Scene and Singapore Scene. For one simple reason.
A gig is organised by a location or organiser or the band themselves. In order for the gig to be possible, contractors for staging, lights and sounds must be engaged and all these means MONEY! Who is paying for all these? Either the location, the organiser or the band themselves. In Gas Haus case, they are the contractor who are letting out their venue which we can equate as - the stage.
So on this, is anyone going to tell me it's different from other countries? Can anyone tell me the contractors pay the band to perform?
3. Don't bitch! x 2
I don't know if I am being harsh for what I am going to say next... but I apologize if anyone feels offended. I can't find any other better words in replacement of these below.
Who do you think you are? Some sort of big superstars to demand this and that?
You voluntarily signed up for it, didn't you? Anyone put a gun to your head for that?
If you're not happy about the costing, GO FIND YOUR OWN SPONSORS so you do not have to fork out a single cent. Now, are you good enough to win the heart of sponsors?
The music industry is a harsh industry. If you are unable to take setbacks and adapt to situation, you are not suitable to be in the music industry. Go get a desk bound job which is relatively safer and you get paid for it.
You need not even worry about cleaning up the location and restoring it to the original state. All THESE are MONEY! Are you ready to organize your own gig and incur these costs? Yes or No?
My apologies again, if anyone is offended by the above. It just only bare facts. If you can't come to terms with it, how are you going to improve and raise your level?
Now go figure... and don't expect to be spoon-fed all the way. Music industry, is extremely difficult. Knowing the right people, performing at the right gigs, absorbing the right experiences which will help you to go further. Based on the current gig, be it a bad or good experience, is the venue owner going to turn around and charge the band for the lesson they have learnt? I supposed not?
My last point: Take whatever comes your way in your strive. Either you change your attitude, or be prepared to die out in the industry. Getting into it is already tough enough, but if you wish to jeopardize yourself (this applies to anyone including myself) and your passion just because of your EGO, then you really should think twice about getting into the industry and wasting everybody's time.
DD
1. Costing and budgetting
In EVERY gig, there are costs to account for. In Wayne's case, the venue does not provide the necessary transportation and equipment support. Hence he has to seek his own avenue just to bring his band and equipment physically to the venue - which also means at his own cost.
In Gas Haus's situation, they have provided everything for you. (The quality of the equipments aside) This includes any transportation fees of equipment that you have to incur if you were to organize your own gig. All these costs has been absorbed by Gas Haus for a mere S$200 inclusive of location charge.
My main job is working in events mgmt - apart from music. Do you know a decent setup just for broadcast, consisting of 2 disc player, a compressor, an amplifier and only 2 mid-range speakers easily set you by S$300 and above? And that's exclusive of the location charge? (Yes, please do your research with events company. Take the time you have been complaining, walk along Orchard Road and ask every single roadshow crew!) If you are looking at renting your own transport, you could be looking at additional S$30 to S$50 for two way trips.
2. Music is international, it applies to ALL countries.
Stop this comparison about Australia Scene and Singapore Scene. For one simple reason.
A gig is organised by a location or organiser or the band themselves. In order for the gig to be possible, contractors for staging, lights and sounds must be engaged and all these means MONEY! Who is paying for all these? Either the location, the organiser or the band themselves. In Gas Haus case, they are the contractor who are letting out their venue which we can equate as - the stage.
So on this, is anyone going to tell me it's different from other countries? Can anyone tell me the contractors pay the band to perform?
3. Don't bitch! x 2
I don't know if I am being harsh for what I am going to say next... but I apologize if anyone feels offended. I can't find any other better words in replacement of these below.
Who do you think you are? Some sort of big superstars to demand this and that?
You voluntarily signed up for it, didn't you? Anyone put a gun to your head for that?
If you're not happy about the costing, GO FIND YOUR OWN SPONSORS so you do not have to fork out a single cent. Now, are you good enough to win the heart of sponsors?
The music industry is a harsh industry. If you are unable to take setbacks and adapt to situation, you are not suitable to be in the music industry. Go get a desk bound job which is relatively safer and you get paid for it.
You need not even worry about cleaning up the location and restoring it to the original state. All THESE are MONEY! Are you ready to organize your own gig and incur these costs? Yes or No?
My apologies again, if anyone is offended by the above. It just only bare facts. If you can't come to terms with it, how are you going to improve and raise your level?
Now go figure... and don't expect to be spoon-fed all the way. Music industry, is extremely difficult. Knowing the right people, performing at the right gigs, absorbing the right experiences which will help you to go further. Based on the current gig, be it a bad or good experience, is the venue owner going to turn around and charge the band for the lesson they have learnt? I supposed not?
My last point: Take whatever comes your way in your strive. Either you change your attitude, or be prepared to die out in the industry. Getting into it is already tough enough, but if you wish to jeopardize yourself (this applies to anyone including myself) and your passion just because of your EGO, then you really should think twice about getting into the industry and wasting everybody's time.
DD
TequilaSunrise
New member
Now this is a classic.
It is inevitable that the unexposed will find it difficult to adapt so quickly to the harsh and awkward circumstances that is the performing arts industry. Perhaps they'll learn from this and become more independent and, for the lack of a better word, street-smart in their coming days.
After all, when we first lugged our guitar bags and took up our first pair of drum sticks, we didn't know what to expect. Even if we did expect something, it might be far from reality. Most important thing is the attitude towards what we do.
Hopefully, the community will gain a better insight on gigging in general because not all gigs go 100% the way as it is planned and even if it does go as planned, there will be other hits and misses that can be improved on.
For the better. =)
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hopefully when my band crashes into the gig circle, we'd be able to learn something from it all. lol.
It is inevitable that the unexposed will find it difficult to adapt so quickly to the harsh and awkward circumstances that is the performing arts industry. Perhaps they'll learn from this and become more independent and, for the lack of a better word, street-smart in their coming days.
After all, when we first lugged our guitar bags and took up our first pair of drum sticks, we didn't know what to expect. Even if we did expect something, it might be far from reality. Most important thing is the attitude towards what we do.
Hopefully, the community will gain a better insight on gigging in general because not all gigs go 100% the way as it is planned and even if it does go as planned, there will be other hits and misses that can be improved on.
For the better. =)
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hopefully when my band crashes into the gig circle, we'd be able to learn something from it all. lol.
Black_Death
New member
salutes to DD for his wisdom!
yea..u have a few points there..
besides..when things dont go ur way..makin the BEST out of it will actually..how do i put it..
in the process of makin the best out of the situation..there'll always be smth to learn..
and basically in life..its all abt bein contented and makin the BEST out of wadeva that's been given..
yea..u have a few points there..
besides..when things dont go ur way..makin the BEST out of it will actually..how do i put it..
in the process of makin the best out of the situation..there'll always be smth to learn..
and basically in life..its all abt bein contented and makin the BEST out of wadeva that's been given..
unsane
Member
just to share an experience we had playing at gas haus at a gig organised by roy. yes,the sound system wasnt great and nothing was miced up, but thats the way it is with most venues in singapore.
if the equipment graciously provided isnt up to your standards,do what we did and bring your entire backline and balance the sound yourself, dont bitch and whine about how its the soundguy/venue's job.
the aussie soundguy there did a relatively good job and was nothing but friendly and accomadating towards us,there was no hassle when it came to setting up our full tube rack setup that required multiple power strips and alot of trouble, and i was pleasantly surprised that he even bothered to set up a decent foldback monitor mix for us. kudos right there,even though the foldbacks were pretty small and crappy it was appreciated.
we had no problems with gashaus or roy and would gladly play there again should the opportunity arise...
ok maybe one issue, the screen above the stage is pretty fookin ridiculous. we had a slayer DVD on at the same time we were playing and it was quite hilarious to see it go in sync with the band at some points,but come on..
if the equipment graciously provided isnt up to your standards,do what we did and bring your entire backline and balance the sound yourself, dont bitch and whine about how its the soundguy/venue's job.
the aussie soundguy there did a relatively good job and was nothing but friendly and accomadating towards us,there was no hassle when it came to setting up our full tube rack setup that required multiple power strips and alot of trouble, and i was pleasantly surprised that he even bothered to set up a decent foldback monitor mix for us. kudos right there,even though the foldbacks were pretty small and crappy it was appreciated.
we had no problems with gashaus or roy and would gladly play there again should the opportunity arise...
ok maybe one issue, the screen above the stage is pretty fookin ridiculous. we had a slayer DVD on at the same time we were playing and it was quite hilarious to see it go in sync with the band at some points,but come on..
DoubleDecker
New member
TequilaSunrise said:
I read that you are staying in Woodlands... fellow Woodlanders. Cheerz.
I may not be in the live band arena, but when it comes to music, everything is universal and I'm sure all of us have alot to learn given the right attitude.
TequilaSunrise
New member
Hmm, I could have sworn I quoted something from DD, but I guess james thought it was unreasonable (or... something) so he edited. Or maybe I didn't quote it properly.
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ARGH?!
Fellow woodlander!
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Fellow woodlander!
super_punk
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I have no problems with people complaining about gigs or gig venues. i think it's well within their rights to complain and have their opinion of what they want from their performance. But all i can say to them is this...
POOOOOS! (short for female genitalia)
POOOOOS! (short for female genitalia)
sub_20
New member
!!
Never get the chance to play, make noise. Get chance to play, also make noise. Then how? Play? Don't play?
Wah!!!!11one!one!!!111!!lol!lolol!!2
Stress.
Aiyah, I can't see why Gashaus has to be the victim. I mean, other gigs held at other places also require the bands to the same thing right? Sell tickets lah, bring own stuff lah and what nots. Anyway, I just got back from Gashaus. Monday night at Gashaus. Chinese Pop Yeh Yeh night. Hahah. Frankly speaking, the sound system sounded excellent. Much better than most gigs I've ever been to. I think that attributes to the musicians ability of sound levelling. I guess if all of the band members were to be hero and blast their amps, then, hahah, I think the band should go prepare for war.
So yeah, I support the thread starter! Be grateful that you have such a place. Yay to Gashaus!
Yay to the bands that never complain!
Yay to the bands that complain also!
I guess without a balance with good and bad stuff, the world wouldn't be a fun place to live in. So yeah, look for more things to complain about! Bring out the true Singaporeans in us!
Never get the chance to play, make noise. Get chance to play, also make noise. Then how? Play? Don't play?
Wah!!!!11one!one!!!111!!lol!lolol!!2
Stress.
Aiyah, I can't see why Gashaus has to be the victim. I mean, other gigs held at other places also require the bands to the same thing right? Sell tickets lah, bring own stuff lah and what nots. Anyway, I just got back from Gashaus. Monday night at Gashaus. Chinese Pop Yeh Yeh night. Hahah. Frankly speaking, the sound system sounded excellent. Much better than most gigs I've ever been to. I think that attributes to the musicians ability of sound levelling. I guess if all of the band members were to be hero and blast their amps, then, hahah, I think the band should go prepare for war.
So yeah, I support the thread starter! Be grateful that you have such a place. Yay to Gashaus!
Yay to the bands that never complain!
Yay to the bands that complain also!
I guess without a balance with good and bad stuff, the world wouldn't be a fun place to live in. So yeah, look for more things to complain about! Bring out the true Singaporeans in us!
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