Chinese Democracy
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Whitestrat
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Listening to the album now. Honestly, it's pretty good. It's Axl Rose fanfare with new sounds, touch and it sounds modern. Sorry to Velvet Revolver fans, but VR to me is like Slash being stuck where he is, and can't seem to move on. Not that it's not good, but it's ancient...
Chinese Democracy reminds me a lot of a mix between Marilyn Manson's Mechanical Animals and GnR Use Your Illusion. It's cool... I like the new sounds, and it's quite obvious now that GnR's spirit seems to be actually Axl's creativity. Appetite For Destruction seems very much Slash's thing. Even VR now sounds similar. But those nice flowy epics and big production tones from GnR are evidently Axl's.
If this kind of sound is GnR, then GnR is Axl Rose.
I like...
Whitestrat
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It is? I never recognised it as anything but dissonant noise. Really. All I attribute to that album are a few good songs, and the glaring fact that it single handedly ended the glam-rock era. Other than that, I wouldn't call it an amazing recording. Content-wise, I much preferred Use Your Illusion.
To me, AfD was less significant compared to the grunge launching "Nevermind" from Nirvana.
There was no continuity for AfD though... Unlike Nevermind, which spawned a whole slew of grunge bands, and paved the way for bands like NIN and Smashing Pumpkins (who are not grunge, but the industry began evolving that way).
Yes, it's one of the better albums in the 90s, but why? Simply because it killed the glam rock era. Thank God it did that, but it wasn't genre defining. What the album did do was to give the rebellious guys a shout, because it was purely about rock and roll at it's most base form.
Ized
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alamak la bro...for most die hard guns fans i guess AFD remains the best Gun's album ever. so many great songs on it like jungle, nightrain, sweet child, rocket queen, paradise city and so on....
From lose your illusion onwards they lost their drummer steve adler for matt sorum. Matt has more of the arena rock feel rather than that frantic punk-influenced drumming of Adler, which is why the stylistic elements of AFD remain so different from LYI. Steve has a more unique style...he even blended funk elements in Welcome to the jungle....sorum was more er, well normal? nothing interesting....but he has improved a great deal, and i think he's alot better now in VR.
Lose your illusion was great too...yes....but i don remember being too particularly enamored with Gun's before listening to AFD...cos it really showcases their raw energy and attiude as a band....that ended the glam era of pretty boy shredders with their brand of dirty down to the gutter rock and roll and excesses.
From lose your illusion onwards they lost their drummer steve adler for matt sorum. Matt has more of the arena rock feel rather than that frantic punk-influenced drumming of Adler, which is why the stylistic elements of AFD remain so different from LYI. Steve has a more unique style...he even blended funk elements in Welcome to the jungle....sorum was more er, well normal? nothing interesting....but he has improved a great deal, and i think he's alot better now in VR.
Lose your illusion was great too...yes....but i don remember being too particularly enamored with Gun's before listening to AFD...cos it really showcases their raw energy and attiude as a band....that ended the glam era of pretty boy shredders with their brand of dirty down to the gutter rock and roll and excesses.
velvetrevolver
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true blue fans of GNR, like me, are left a bit disappointed. u guys seen the credits page? Axl Rose would like to thank...... read read read..... read... read..... papa roach and bla bla bla... (some other bands here) arrgh. dun wanna say liao wait ppl flame. but i think its ridiculous. lucky its $18.90. phew. still, i bought it cos the band name is Guns N' Roses.
Whitestrat
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Adler was never on AfD either... He was always too drugged out to record, remember? They used a sessionist for AfD.
Matt Sorum was good in the Cult. I think he brought something big sounding to the band for the later GnR albums.
tim098
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I think the album is great! Although I dont hear any mega timeless hits like 'welcome to the jungle' and 'sweet child of mine' its still pretty good, and i absolutely love axl. SO bloody long havent heard new stuff from him, and now when i hear it i get reminded of how good he is.
Just be careful not to piss him off at live shows..:twisted:
Just be careful not to piss him off at live shows..:twisted:
velvetrevolver
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umm, ok. nice to know.
Ized
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Wierd...where did you get the idea bro?....Cos i read the autobiography of Slash and he and Steve was in there while they recorded rocket queen and Axl Rose recorded those infamous "moans" and the rest of the album ... he was kicked out before use your illusion. He dint support that decision btw since Steve was a really good friend of his.
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jethron5000
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Talk about falun gongs n china, it's definitely worth an interesting buy. Check out the album booklet too, for axel rose to be associated to chinese stuffs, classic 
Ized
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The joke about how did "Guns' N Roses" name came about:
after Axel Rose forced the members to sign an agreement giving the rights to the band to him, the rest of the members became more or less his "hired guns" and Axel became the only Rose in the band.
Disgrunted, the "hired guns" decided to leave the band and the roses behind and upgrade themselves to Velvet Revolver. Rose however continues to hire new guns....
after Axel Rose forced the members to sign an agreement giving the rights to the band to him, the rest of the members became more or less his "hired guns" and Axel became the only Rose in the band.
Disgrunted, the "hired guns" decided to leave the band and the roses behind and upgrade themselves to Velvet Revolver. Rose however continues to hire new guns....