Cheap decent Monitors speakers..?
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lppier said:
I'll get myself cans. $500 is limited. You will know what monitors is within that range. Shall not comment on them.
As for cans, wouldn't recommend the senn. AKGs are good.
Senn is colored, the bass is too "bassy" for my liking.
AKG 271 or 240, very flat and true.
Since you said about mixing, i guess for budget, it's good to start off with cans and save more for maybe dynaudo BM5, mackies, KRK V6 or look out for 2nd hand monitors.
I don't think I want to mix with headphones. Last time I tried it was quite uncomfortable.. specially since i wear specs. There are two camps of pple out there. Some say mxiing on headphone is neutral, takes the room out of the equation, some say mixing with headphone no good like this article. http://www.bluebearsound.com/articles/headphones.htm
I'm not a professional so I can't justify spending thousands on a pair of speakers (as my mother would call them if they saw it
). What I want to something decent enough quality so that I know the final mix will sound good on most hi-fi systems. Doesn't have to be prstine cd quality. Budget of 500 monitors anyone?
So far two choices listed here are :
KRK RP5s
Yamaha MSP3s
Pier.
I'm not a professional so I can't justify spending thousands on a pair of speakers (as my mother would call them if they saw it
). What I want to something decent enough quality so that I know the final mix will sound good on most hi-fi systems. Doesn't have to be prstine cd quality. Budget of 500 monitors anyone? So far two choices listed here are :
KRK RP5s
Yamaha MSP3s
Pier.
bernardgoh
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i'm not too sure about you guys but thr rokit did quite a fair jobs for me when I'm mixing for TV. 
just beware of the lows..... that's all... if you're talking about details.... aahhhh.... don't think about it. but normal TV mix would be good.
just beware of the lows..... that's all... if you're talking about details.... aahhhh.... don't think about it. but normal TV mix would be good. 
bernardgoh
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I think we should stay on track on this tread... monitor @ 300 -500. I think for this prices, Rokit not bad liao lor.
I think for this prices, Rokit not bad liao lor. Aye. Ok... Let me clarify myself.
In the monitor line, I agree that you get what you pay for. I agree that a 7k monitor in an acoustically treated room will be a whole lot better than something in the 1 or 2k region. Likewise, something in the 1 or 2k region will likely be better than a Rokit.
I certainly don't think the majority of us are going to shell out on the "best-monitor-in-the-world", whatever you think it is.
However, when you consider budget constraints, likely with an untreated room, you can't afford to cash in on the expensive stuff. And true, you get what you pay for. The question is about cheap monitors, and I think for something that costs only 500, the Rokit is pretty good.
That being said, do you think a more expensive KrK V4 is much better than an RP5? Personally, I'm not convinced..
In the monitor line, I agree that you get what you pay for. I agree that a 7k monitor in an acoustically treated room will be a whole lot better than something in the 1 or 2k region. Likewise, something in the 1 or 2k region will likely be better than a Rokit.
I certainly don't think the majority of us are going to shell out on the "best-monitor-in-the-world", whatever you think it is.
However, when you consider budget constraints, likely with an untreated room, you can't afford to cash in on the expensive stuff. And true, you get what you pay for. The question is about cheap monitors, and I think for something that costs only 500, the Rokit is pretty good.
That being said, do you think a more expensive KrK V4 is much better than an RP5? Personally, I'm not convinced..
lppier, if I may be a bzbody, mayb you should save up another $300-$400 then get the Bluesky Mediadesk. (Blue what?)
I've never heard it b4 but at least you get down to 35hz (most small monitors in the price range at most can manage 55hz without sub) with an integrated subwoofer. If you do dance music or frequently record 5-string bass/bass synths, it will be shiok to listen to. :lol:
And user consensus is that the subwoofer is very well integrated and its placement in the room is not so critical.
The only bad things I have heard abt it is that you can't turn them too loud or they start to distort. But using in a small room should be more than ok.
Gd thing is it is available at Team 108 (no I don't work for them) so you can try them out 1st(though they'll probly try to sell you Genelecs). If you do, let me know how they sound cos I may be getting the "big brother" model of the Mediadesk (more to listen to music since I can't mix for nuts)
Thanks for being my guinea pig
:lol:
I've never heard it b4 but at least you get down to 35hz (most small monitors in the price range at most can manage 55hz without sub) with an integrated subwoofer. If you do dance music or frequently record 5-string bass/bass synths, it will be shiok to listen to. :lol:
And user consensus is that the subwoofer is very well integrated and its placement in the room is not so critical.
The only bad things I have heard abt it is that you can't turn them too loud or they start to distort. But using in a small room should be more than ok.
Gd thing is it is available at Team 108 (no I don't work for them) so you can try them out 1st(though they'll probly try to sell you Genelecs). If you do, let me know how they sound cos I may be getting the "big brother" model of the Mediadesk (more to listen to music since I can't mix for nuts)
Thanks for being my guinea pig
:lol:
bernardgoh
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hey, the bluesky is decent. I was using that pair when I went to team108 to buy my liquid channel. using it to do a A/B compare from other pres. highly recommance by me? still, that just me. you should go down and listen to it.
highly recommance by me? still, that just me. you should go down and listen to it. Man Behind the Machine......
Hm,
My personal opinion is the MAN behind the MACHINE, give the best engineer in the world a pair of shitty speakers, he'll still come up with a decent mix, give the crappy engineer the BEST monitors in the world and he/she still can't even mix shit out of the.... Upgrade to whatever your budget allows, and learn to live with them.....make comparisons with professional cds and try to match what what you heard....playback on different systems to hear what you mix, i believe if you put your heart into your work, more importantly, PAY attention to what you HEAR, you should be able to come up with some decent stuff.... FYI, i'm usiing rockit in my studio, in fact, rockit 4... :lol: but still able to churn out work that earns me my bread on the table every month... Rock on, fellows....
Hm,
My personal opinion is the MAN behind the MACHINE, give the best engineer in the world a pair of shitty speakers, he'll still come up with a decent mix, give the crappy engineer the BEST monitors in the world and he/she still can't even mix shit out of the.... Upgrade to whatever your budget allows, and learn to live with them.....make comparisons with professional cds and try to match what what you heard....playback on different systems to hear what you mix, i believe if you put your heart into your work, more importantly, PAY attention to what you HEAR, you should be able to come up with some decent stuff.... FYI, i'm usiing rockit in my studio, in fact, rockit 4... :lol: but still able to churn out work that earns me my bread on the table every month... Rock on, fellows....
Just some confusion here...
Aren't near-field monitors designed so that room acoustics don't affect the sound as much as they would those giant sized genelecs in recording studios? Admittedly, we can never escape room acoustics as a subject of discussion, but, aren't near-fields (which is what i assume you're all talking about) designed with that in mind?
Aren't near-field monitors designed so that room acoustics don't affect the sound as much as they would those giant sized genelecs in recording studios? Admittedly, we can never escape room acoustics as a subject of discussion, but, aren't near-fields (which is what i assume you're all talking about) designed with that in mind?
headhunter
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stalefish said:Questeds VH2108 (S$7000) ....Compared them to the likes of Mackies HR824 (S$2200) and Upper KRKs, which are more towards the lower mid-priced range, the Mackies don't have the same stereo imaging as the Questeds.
O man, and i thought the Mackies were defacto industry standard reference monitors. Something to aim for when i had the money to upgrade from my Behringers. There's always something better
headhunter said:O man, and i thought the Mackies were defacto industry standard reference monitors. Something to aim for when i had the money to upgrade from my Behringers. There's always something better
You should aim for something like Adam monitors
AnalogPurist
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Like I said before, it's NOT what you have but HOW you use it...
That said, I must re-emphasize that there are certain elements or gear that cannot be replaced with cheaper alternatives. Example: You cannot expect fantastic results if you use a karaoke mic going thru an econimocal mic preamp and expect it to sound a million bucks. However, some producers have also made Multi-Platinum Albums by just using the CR1604 or even the SM58 for Lead Vocals. Then again, you must look closely at their music production gear...Do they somehow or other have expensive/Industrial Standard gear in their setup ? I am must certain they do. So, it comes round to "it's NOT what you have but HOW you use it"
For DECENT Monitors, here's what I'd choose:
For economical setups, I'd go for the Genelec 8020As or the Event Electronics 20/20 or even the KRK RPs. You may even add the Genelec SubWoofers in the near future if your budget permits for expansion...
For a Semi-Pro Setup, I'd go for ADAM P11As or the ATC SCMs
For Pro Setup, the Westlake Audio TM Series or the Genelec 1039As would be excellent !
Happy Hunting...!
- the BEST monitors are our EARS and the BEST microphones are our VOICE -
That said, I must re-emphasize that there are certain elements or gear that cannot be replaced with cheaper alternatives. Example: You cannot expect fantastic results if you use a karaoke mic going thru an econimocal mic preamp and expect it to sound a million bucks. However, some producers have also made Multi-Platinum Albums by just using the CR1604 or even the SM58 for Lead Vocals. Then again, you must look closely at their music production gear...Do they somehow or other have expensive/Industrial Standard gear in their setup ? I am must certain they do. So, it comes round to "it's NOT what you have but HOW you use it"
For DECENT Monitors, here's what I'd choose:
For economical setups, I'd go for the Genelec 8020As or the Event Electronics 20/20 or even the KRK RPs. You may even add the Genelec SubWoofers in the near future if your budget permits for expansion...
For a Semi-Pro Setup, I'd go for ADAM P11As or the ATC SCMs
For Pro Setup, the Westlake Audio TM Series or the Genelec 1039As would be excellent !
Happy Hunting...!
- the BEST monitors are our EARS and the BEST microphones are our VOICE -
Well in the end what matters is your prefrence. everyone has a different ear and have different likings. People like me love senn headphones while some prefer AKGs. Some love Neumann Mics but can't afford it. So just take your time to compare and contrast and you will find your choice.
P.S. Sennheiser headphones have sound that are coloured for a reason and that is is your music listener going to use very linear headphones? i doubt so yar so tats the reason.
P.S. Sennheiser headphones have sound that are coloured for a reason and that is is your music listener going to use very linear headphones? i doubt so yar so tats the reason.
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