Cheap decent Monitors speakers..?

[Indigo_blues]

if its the bedroom think it should be ok actually.. cause the bed is a good acoustic insulator.. just make sure u don't have too much bare wall which may reflect the sound and cause standing waves. This may accentuate the bass response depending on the room size.

 

[azhiwen]

I don't know about you but I can't wear my headphones for long periods of time, so if I were to do anything using my headphones, I can only do it for a short while before I start to feel abit giddy. Therefore I prefer to use the speakers instead. And oh, the headphones I used was the Sony MDV.

 

[stalefish]

Soft - i was just accentuating Overcast's point abit


lppier - Here's a good resource

 

[kithsa]

Hahaaa if I had the cash, I'd be swearing by some main monitor system in a nice acoustically treated room, and swearing AT the Rokits. I've heard the KRK V8s too... Those would probably be my upgrade, if I can afford it, or some Genelecs.

Unfortunately, not all people have the cash, no? So for a cheap solution, accoustically untreated room, I'd think that the Rokits work fine. I don't think a person wants to buy a 3k system as an upgrade from computer speakers...

 

[Indigo_blues]

a cupboard full of books on each wall is a good acoustic insulator.

 

[overcast]

eh stalefish, i never say Rokits no good lah...:lol:

I said any monitors, big/small/cheap/expensive would be quite useless in a room without appropriate acoustic treatment.

I said even KRK is cashing on the ill-informed younglings.

The way some "monitors" manufacturers' ad copy reads, it's like a car maker saying "our car is sooooo safe you don't need headlights nor street lamps to drive at night". The last time I checked, cars didn't have sonars yet.

With cheaper/smaller monitors, the bass representation is always compromised. And anyone who has tried to mix b4 will tell you the "low-end" is always the hardest to get right. And unabsorbed low freqs bouncing around the room doesn't help at all.

So if you are prepared to spend a bit more $, some DIY effort and compromise a bit on the aesthetics of your space (unsightly and bulky pieces sticking out of walls/corners/ceilings), go put in place proper treatment 1st. Then you don't really need Adams, Questeds or ATCs to get a decent mix, if you really got the chops as a mix engineer.

Otherwise, a pair of flat response headphones will be a smarter buy.

You expecting me to defend myself?

nahhh, didn't think you could. 8)

awwwwww......how I miss being a kid :lol:

 

[stalefish]

But if you want a set of "monitors" just to look more "pro" or impress your clients, choices abound. Even the once great KRK is targeting this market of posers.

Whoops! ...guess I misinterpreted this sentence a bit haha

 

[kithsa]

I'd agree that bass response is hard to get with the small Rokits. But, there's always a relatively cheaper subwoofer (KRK RP10, Tapco SW10) that can help you out.

I'm also agreeable to some extent that room acoustics play a very big role. I do fall back on my HD-25 to do a comparision.

Personally, I think that the people who are caught in the trap are those that cash in on monitors that sell at thousands of dollars... only to find that they aren't much better than a cheaper alternative. Especially if the room isn't acoustically treated first. Especially if they cash in on something based on the manufacturer's claims, or someone else's claims. Or they avoid a certain brand based on someone else's claims.

 

[fibredrive]

actually i am using sony 7506 cans. suits me fine and gives me decent results. nothing stunning, just decent.

i have to agree with overcast that a good pair of cans might be best for the budget home studio. but if like me, you can't take headphones for long, then a pair of "poseur" budget monitors will be helpful. i was intending to get the krk or tapco, but wound up with the yamaha HS50M instead. it was cheaper than the krk's too. i found the bass on both the krk and tapco a bit overwhelming as compared to the yamahas. just another option for you. choice is yours. but james is right, alot depends on the sound engineer.

so, hope you find something that will suit you soon.

 

[stalefish]

Personally, I think that the people who are caught in the trap are those that cash in on monitors that sell at thousands of dollars... only to find that they aren't much better than a cheaper alternative. Especially if the room isn't acoustically treated first.

Well speaking from personal experience, Questeds VH2108 (S$7000) set up in my decently treated room, kick the living shit (pardon my frence) out of the behringers and m-audios anyday when it comes to detail in the upper mids and highs - you see, even with a decently treated room, if the frequencies aren't there to start with, they just aren't there

Compared them to the likes of Mackies HR824 (S$2200) and Upper KRKs, which are more towards the lower mid-priced range, the Mackies don't have the same stereo imaging as the Questeds.

Took me a while to get this ( And I definitely am the stubborn type :lol but you do get what you pay for when it comes to monitoring.

Crappy room + Super monitors = crappy sound
Treated room + Crappy monitors = still crappy sound

my 2.5 cents.

 

[kithsa]

Heh but isn't the price difference between 7000 and 2200 a little wide? It's like 3 times the price...

It's like saying that a 500 dollar pair of speakers will kick the shit out of a 100 dollar altec lansing

 

[stalefish]

Personally, I think that the people who are caught in the trap are those that cash in on monitors that sell at thousands of dollars... only to find that they aren't much better than a cheaper alternative.

Whatever the price is besides the point.

Unless you're wiling to go against top engineers with your 'Rockit speakers are as good as Genelec/Quested/Adams in the same acoustically treated room' theory, the above statement is as accurate as the colored representation of audio coming out of the KRK Rockits.

 

[robsg]

Stale fish,

Crappy room + Crappy monitors = Super crappy sound
Treated room + Crappy monitors = less crappy sound
Treated room + reasonable monitors = reasonable sound
Treated room + Super monitors = Good honest sound
Well Treated room + Super monitors = Super Honest Sound

:wink:

Robin

 

[kithsa]

Whatever the price is besides the point.

Unless you're wiling to go against top engineers with your 'Rockit speakers are as good as Genelec/Quested/Adams in the same acoustically treated room' theory, the above statement is as accurate as the colored representation of audio coming out of the KRK Rockits.

Heh. I wonder where and when I ever said this? If you thought I implied that a 500 dollar Rokit is just as good as a 7000 dollar quested, then I apologise.

 

[stalefish]

Stale fish,

Crappy room + Crappy monitors = Super crappy sound
Treated room + Crappy monitors = less crappy sound
Treated room + reasonable monitors = reasonable sound
Treated room + Super monitors = Good honest sound
Well Treated room + Super monitors = Super Honest Sound

:wink:

Robin

:lol: Yeah!


Kithsa -

you said:
"For cheap monitors, I'd swear by the KRK RP5s." PG1

"Personally, I think that the people who are caught in the trap are those that cash in on monitors that sell at thousands of dollars... only to find that they aren't much better than a cheaper alternative." PG2

Ok then. It doesn't have to be Questeds and Rockits.

I could put any 'thousands of dollars' speaker brand (Adam, Genees etc.) and 'cheaper alternative' (Alesis, Behringer, Rockits) together and your theory would still be wrong.

 

[kithsa]

Of course. I can put a hundreds of dollars speaker next to a tens of dollars speaker and there would be difference too. Why don't you go more extreme and compare your 7000 questeds with a 20 altec lansing?

 

[stalefish]

Why don't you say Ferraris aren't much better than RX8s?


Stillborn - PMed you

 

[winson]

kithsa, u made the wrong choice of getting a rockit. KRK brand is good, but the rockit in my opinion is no difference from a normal HT bookshelf.

You could've just gotten a V series.

Maybe you should spent a little time going around and listen to more monitor speakers in acoustic rooms or demo room or even shops that sells good speakers, and you will know what we are all talking about.

i own an old behringer. Honestly, i've had to place them around my room and hear the difference and do abit of wall treatment to get away with flutter echos. standing waves and such to achieve desired critical listening but my speakers will nvr ever sound as flat, accurate as a mid- high end dynaudio, genelec, adam or quested etc.

In fact I've listened to the rokit, was turn off by the sound in 5 secs. Switch to listen to V6.

 

[lppier]

Hi winson, what was about the rockit that turned you off? Any other monitor in its price range that you like better?

Pier.

In fact I've listened to the rokit, was turn off by the sound in 5 secs. Switch to listen to V6.

 

[soft]

winson, there is no "wrong choice". speakers and specification are fixed. individual's hearing varies. :wink:

this is why every engineer have their preferrence.

ok, let's get back to the topic. budget monitor of $300.