DoubleBlade
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But I remember my teacher telling me that grade 1 jazz is equalivant to grade 3 classical? Is it true?
Beginner on Pro Tools , Cubase etc?
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bongman
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rgd this grade equation rather hard to compare,
just go to music plaza bookshop, dig out the ABRSM Jazz and Classical Grade books and see for yourself. If you are capable of playing and studying the course book by yourself, there's no need to pay for class.
the ABRSM Jazz course comes with CDs accompaniment.
But in terms of technique, the classical route definitely will groom you to be a good pianist/keyboardist. I've seen some organ players with very bad fingering and weak touch when they play piano.
if look at classcial score, the music lines goes horizontal,
for jazz it's vertical with lots of chord changes and
base a lot on improvisation. It's a total two different music genre.
in terms of commerical value, Jazz is value for money.
with your Jazz skill, it will give you the skills to play pop music
very well. Classical training of course gives you a solid music background
but lots of classical pianist normally can't play in a rock and roll band.
hopefully I'm not talking rubbish...
just go to music plaza bookshop, dig out the ABRSM Jazz and Classical Grade books and see for yourself. If you are capable of playing and studying the course book by yourself, there's no need to pay for class.
the ABRSM Jazz course comes with CDs accompaniment.
But in terms of technique, the classical route definitely will groom you to be a good pianist/keyboardist. I've seen some organ players with very bad fingering and weak touch when they play piano.
if look at classcial score, the music lines goes horizontal,
for jazz it's vertical with lots of chord changes and
base a lot on improvisation. It's a total two different music genre.
in terms of commerical value, Jazz is value for money.
with your Jazz skill, it will give you the skills to play pop music
very well. Classical training of course gives you a solid music background
but lots of classical pianist normally can't play in a rock and roll band.
hopefully I'm not talking rubbish...
DoubleBlade
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Actually I've thought of this before , I like listening to classical music and even idolise certain composers but the other thing is I also enjoy improvising as it makes me feel "original" I guess but I can't have the best of both worlds...
Cheez
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Doubleblade,
I think you have to ask yourself what you want to achieve musically, and more importantly why. By focussed. Don't jump into something because everybody is into it.
I agree with James. You don't learn audio engineering by using software. It is much larger than that. Of course, you would want a good software. But the important question is: why do you want to learn audio engineering?
These software are not cheap. Buying them may end up as a white elephant in your collection if you're not careful of what you want. I use Logic mainly for sequencing. I don't even dare to venture into live audio engineering although I did a few of it and I understood the basics. I wanted to focus on my sequencing and post-recording mixdown. My audio engineering experience deals mainly with samplers and plug-ins - very specialised area.
As for your piano lessons, taking classical lessons without exams is like driving without a license. If you don't want exams, then you'll need to ask yourself why do you want to take classical lessons. Maybe pop piano may be better. Pressure sometimes is good for us - gets us to work harder on our skills. Otherwise, we drift along. I'm sure your piano teacher wouldn't mind continue teaching you even if you don't want exams - she's earning your money. If taking classical lessons is inspired by Maksim as you mentioned before, and you want to acheive the skills like him, then please take exams. If not, it is also OK. Don't be pressure into it, or be pressured to be like Maksim. Just consider pop piano instead of classical.
As a side comment - I think you should leave your mom's CPF for her to use. She worked hard for it. When I was schooling, I always save up to buy my stuffs. The exception was my keyboard - my first Yamaha synth (SY77). I was too poor - so I made a deal with my dad to pay half of it and he paid the other half. When I was in the Army (not an MO at the time - only corporal and my pay was something like $250 per month) - I did not get a single cent from my parents. But I was able to save up for a Roland JV1080, a mixer, a Fostex multi-track recorder, some other stuffs, plus additional savings for my wedding many many years later! Learn to save.
I think you have to ask yourself what you want to achieve musically, and more importantly why. By focussed. Don't jump into something because everybody is into it.
I agree with James. You don't learn audio engineering by using software. It is much larger than that. Of course, you would want a good software. But the important question is: why do you want to learn audio engineering?
These software are not cheap. Buying them may end up as a white elephant in your collection if you're not careful of what you want. I use Logic mainly for sequencing. I don't even dare to venture into live audio engineering although I did a few of it and I understood the basics. I wanted to focus on my sequencing and post-recording mixdown. My audio engineering experience deals mainly with samplers and plug-ins - very specialised area.
As for your piano lessons, taking classical lessons without exams is like driving without a license. If you don't want exams, then you'll need to ask yourself why do you want to take classical lessons. Maybe pop piano may be better. Pressure sometimes is good for us - gets us to work harder on our skills. Otherwise, we drift along. I'm sure your piano teacher wouldn't mind continue teaching you even if you don't want exams - she's earning your money. If taking classical lessons is inspired by Maksim as you mentioned before, and you want to acheive the skills like him, then please take exams. If not, it is also OK. Don't be pressure into it, or be pressured to be like Maksim. Just consider pop piano instead of classical.
As a side comment - I think you should leave your mom's CPF for her to use. She worked hard for it. When I was schooling, I always save up to buy my stuffs. The exception was my keyboard - my first Yamaha synth (SY77). I was too poor - so I made a deal with my dad to pay half of it and he paid the other half. When I was in the Army (not an MO at the time - only corporal and my pay was something like $250 per month) - I did not get a single cent from my parents. But I was able to save up for a Roland JV1080, a mixer, a Fostex multi-track recorder, some other stuffs, plus additional savings for my wedding many many years later! Learn to save.
DoubleBlade
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After much consideration , I guess I'll be taking the Jazz route from grade 1 onwards. Just sms my teacher this morning and told her that I wanted to take exams and after much thought , I think taking the ABRSM Jazz exam is more suited for me because jazz emphasises on improvisation and freedom of playing and this is what I want as compared to taking the classical route where the main emphasis is technic...
As for the audio engineering part , It's just a side hobby I would like to take up....
As for the audio engineering part , It's just a side hobby I would like to take up....
Cheez
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All the best in your endeavors in music. Just know one thing - there is no short cut. Jazz speaks as much technique and skills as classical - you still need the scales, read the scores etc before trying to improvise too much. Theory is just as important.
As for audio engineering as your hobby, I encourage you to pursue it. It is not a cheap hobby (music is never a cheap hobby anyway).
As for audio engineering as your hobby, I encourage you to pursue it. It is not a cheap hobby (music is never a cheap hobby anyway).
DoubleBlade
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The reason why I want to learn audio engineering is because I knew of this sound engineer who used to work at the Eurasian Association and me being an active volunteer last time , came into contact with his profession. He eventually brought me into the recording studio there and explained a few basics of audio engineering to me and later when I recorded a song at that studio again , he showed me the editing/mixing process which somehow spurred my interest in this field.
Well I guess , I shall just wait until my 3rd year at poly when I go for my 6 month attachment programme and hopefully save some money by then...
Well I guess , I shall just wait until my 3rd year at poly when I go for my 6 month attachment programme and hopefully save some money by then...
