A Personal Recommendation: Trem Users fall in

[ShredCow]

I bought this:

Schaller Sure Claw, fits Floyd Rose, Strat Tremolo - eBay (item 110250745448 end time May-17-08 07:15:10 PDT)

Out of curiosity and after doing some research.

Seemed to make a TON of sense - the old way of having a trem claw with screws parallel with the springs, screwed into a WOODEN body, just seemed flawed. The Sure Claw is screwed in perpendicular - so there's less likely-hood of wearing out the screw holes. That's a big enough plus for me.

Installed. Easy - no need to drill in my case, just use a small screw and progressively get bigger. *NOTE the warning on the ebay page about the middle pup, I just used a shorter wood screw*

Ah... nice! Additional findings:

1) There's less warble to the sound now. Notes are more bold sounding.
2) Flutter has been reduced a notch.
3) Diving/Pull-ups feel more even - like instead of the trem claw and springs moving, its now only the springs moving.

I think there's a slight increase in low end and (lesser for) midrange. I think sustain has increased a little too.

A worthy worthy worthy investment! If not to ensure peace of mind with regards to stripping screw holes!

 

[ShredCow]

Next up: What would a bigger brass trem block (Gotoh Floyd) do to my tone?

 

[PatheinRaindropMoe]

is this gonna be the chinese thinking for certain part of our body function, the bigger, the better?
or heavier, more steady, bigger mass, hold the bottom well, hit the climax beyond and back in tuned when at level! Even better than sek!

pardon, shred, hard to resist it, i just love bigger thingy!

 

[ShredCow]

is this gonna be the chinese thinking for certain part of our body function, the bigger, the better?
or heavier, more steady, bigger mass, hold the bottom well, hit the climax beyond and back in tuned when at level! Even better than sek!

pardon, shred, hard to resist it, i just love bigger thingy!

Bahwhaahaha.

Maybe?

I'm more interested in finding out what actually happens. What better place than my own guitar (familiarity) with a gotoh floyd that ALREADY uses a Brass block?

So with the bigger block - If it works, it works, so what are the draw backs? I can't find info about that online. Maybe there are no drawbacks - but I'm not convinced.

Time to go find out lor. Pretty fun to do. Besides, if not you, then who, if not now, then when? JUST DO IT DANIEL!

 

[Whitestrat]

Next up: What would a bigger brass trem block (Gotoh Floyd) do to my tone?

Kill your shoulder?:mrgreen:

Heh... Actually, have you ever considered this one?
Trem-King, the fixed bridge vibrato systems

 

[PatheinRaindropMoe]

heh, damned, i forgot to put smiley earlier. So now here it is,

yes, shred bro! Go for it and climax for me! I mean the whammy

 

[ShredCow]

Heh... Actually, have you ever considered this one?
Trem-King, the fixed bridge vibrato systems

Yah but then it doesn't meet my requirements for a trem system.

Basically, the floyd keeps in tune better than anything. Even John Suhr has done his research on why the non-locking trem systems just never return to pitch after whamm-age. Turns out only the Floyd kept in tune due to the double locking thing.

 

[ShredCow]

yes, shred bro! Go for it and climax for me! I mean the whammy

Oh man.

Pathin, you hot for me ah?*



*please use this in your signature, please please please!

 

[PatheinRaindropMoe]

hehe, at this rate, we gotta find a private room soon...

Ok, dun disturb the thread liao, am going to work.

Have fun and back to serious geetar talk, i keep quiet for the rest of tonight!

 

[live33]

The Sure Claw sure reminds me of the first generation ZR trem. I wonder how tough the gears are.

Yes, the screws being perpendicular does make a lot of sense for hard wood bodies. On softer woods, the stress from the springs may cause more damage, I think.

Nonetheless, thanks for sharing!

 

[Whitestrat]

Basically, the floyd keeps in tune better than anything. Even John Suhr has done his research on why the non-locking trem systems just never return to pitch after whamm-age. Turns out only the Floyd kept in tune due to the double locking thing.

Then how'd you explain the trem on my JP?:mrgreen:

 

[ShredCow]

The Sure Claw sure reminds me of the first generation ZR trem. I wonder how tough the gears are.

Should be pretty tough, thought I am not sure what material the gears are made up of.


The SC has been out since.. .I dunno when... way before the ZR.

 

[ShredCow]

Then how'd you explain the trem on my JP?:mrgreen:

I don't think it keeps in tune as well as a Floyd.

Your JP has a nut and the strings are not locked at the bridge/saddles. Research shows that those 2 points cause out-of-tune-ness.

A floyd solves it because the nut is locking and the saddle is locking.

This is not a diss. Its fact. If you experience it otherwise, wow, more power to you ya?

 

[Whitestrat]

This is not a diss. Its fact. If you experience it otherwise, wow, more power to you ya?

:mrgreen: Ya... I experience different.

 

[leecs]

+1!!! anyway. i dont think we are those like must return to same pitch when dive bomb or whatever. We just check tuner, if correct tuning can liao. are you that kind of person, whitestrat? & i f**king hate floyd rose. so the JP bridge & locking tuners suits me.

SC: i think this is a very innovative idea. Hope you like it.

 

[ShredCow]

*sigh*

Leecs, thanks for your very instigating remarks which do nothing to prove, or disprove, what I've mentioned earlier.

If I recall, you didn't even know how to setup a floyd rose properly and I'm not sure you have ever learned to.

Inability to understand a piece of equipment does not mean the equipment has lesser functionality.

 

[leecs]

hahaha!!! i remembered that i come over to your place. Yes! i dont know how to tune a floyd & im not shy about it. But i believe the floyd is probably the best bridges around. Too bad i dont know how to appreciate. Thats why i opt for something more simple.

 

[fgl]

Yes bro I used one several years ago - its certainly execellent. Nowadays its alittle harder to find doe ...

Word of advice - ppl with slim bodies or deep cavities (guitars that is) watch out coz the black scews provided to secure it mite be too long for certain models

 

[ShredCow]

Word of advise - ppl with slim bodies or deep cavities (guitars that is) watch out coz the black scews provider to secure it mite be too long for certain models

Yeap, that's true. I choose to use another shorter screw I had. Otherwise, I'd have a dual mounted middle pickup.

 

[Whitestrat]

+1!!! anyway. i dont think we are those like must return to same pitch when dive bomb or whatever. We just check tuner, if correct tuning can liao. are you that kind of person, whitestrat? & i f**king hate floyd rose. so the JP bridge & locking tuners suits me.

I don't think it's a matter of the tuning being affected there and then or in the long term. I don't even think it's a matter of instability.

I think it's more about what works for you. Honestly, I'm not so anal about how well my tunings hold as long as it's enough to carry through a couple of songs before a tune up. And it's also a matter of sacrificing this stability for ease of restringing. I'd hate to have the entire guitar out of commission in mid-song. At least with a non FR system, I can still have the guitar fixed asap, and have my guitar back by the next song.

Then again, I don't really abuse the trem as much as Daniel does, so maybe this doesn't really apply to me. he really whacks it a lot, so perhaps an FR does apply to him.

Even JP doesn't abuse his trem as much as Satriani or even Vai...