Singapore's Education System = FAIL.. or not?
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hifi_killer
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wow.. why is so many people quoting my idea of mathematics out of context?
I did agree that mathematics is the foundation of many academic disciplines. Indeed , even the basic algebra is the basis for many higher level cognitive processes.
but pure mathematics alone without any application is pretty much less 'world changing' then maths applied to other disciplines. If that happens they would be known as sociologist, physicist, psychologist, medical researchers and rather than a mathematician. That should answers bobby's question on why there might not be any local mathematicians who have change the world in one way or another.
The singapore education system.. its over-used, over-debated GP question...
No offence, but i find that ,The ones that complain about it are usually the ones who are incredibly stressed about studying, the ones who didnt do so well, or the ones who have everything against the gahmen.
It would be nice to hear more balanced views than the usual gahmen bashing superficial claims.
as i said before..
is it so that
we should ALWAYS blame the teachers, schools, the government for the lack of individuality, creativity..
We, the students are never at fault ?
I did agree that mathematics is the foundation of many academic disciplines. Indeed , even the basic algebra is the basis for many higher level cognitive processes.
but pure mathematics alone without any application is pretty much less 'world changing' then maths applied to other disciplines. If that happens they would be known as sociologist, physicist, psychologist, medical researchers and rather than a mathematician. That should answers bobby's question on why there might not be any local mathematicians who have change the world in one way or another.
The singapore education system.. its over-used, over-debated GP question...
No offence, but i find that ,The ones that complain about it are usually the ones who are incredibly stressed about studying, the ones who didnt do so well, or the ones who have everything against the gahmen.
It would be nice to hear more balanced views than the usual gahmen bashing superficial claims.
as i said before..
is it so that
we should ALWAYS blame the teachers, schools, the government for the lack of individuality, creativity..
We, the students are never at fault ?
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DeathCubeK
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At least they went through crap and will fight for us when war comes unlike you clerks or hq staff
That's a big problem, you know. We all know 2 + 2 = 4, but have you ever wondered why?
In a sense, mathematics itself is not logical because of the definite and unchangeable answers that we can get from mathematics.
To say mathematics is almost like ascertainable truth, I'd think that it's not fair to say so.
Anyway, while people may lament at the education system, I believe everyone should actually be responsible for his/her education. Those people who dislikes studying, citing boredom and inflexibility with the current education system as the reasons, seriously need a good knock on their head.
To know and to attain knowledge is one's job. While teachers can be at fault, one won't be able to do well if he/she doesn't want to study and improve oneself even with the most engaging and interesting teachers around.
I might have lamented on the shit we get, but I'm certain my desire to improve and get more creative, flexible, open, etc, will outdo whatever the system throws/had thrown at me.
Ized
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how sure are you? Dont be too quick too generalise when there are dudes i know who become officers for other reasons, etc fat NSF pay. There are some whom i know will be the first to AWOL if a war really breaks out. Who's to say?
Btw, I'm not a clerk. I'm a musician. Thought you'd would have figured out my unit by now, I guess apparently not, heh...
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DeathCubeK
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how sure are you? Dont be too quick too generalise when there are dudes i know who become officers for other reasons, etc fat NSF pay. There are some whom i know will be the first to AWAR if a war really breaks out. Who's to say?
Btw, I'm not a clerk. I'm a musician. Thought you'd would have figured out my unit by now, I guess apparently not, heh...
It's AWOL. And if you haven't served in a combat vocation stop insulting others who have. While I'm not an officer, I must say some of them are the most siao on people I've ever met and I respect them for that. While you may insult them for not being able to do proper MCQ or something, speaking from a commander's point of view, they probably just find it not worth their time.
Ized
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Er, how is filling up all the blanks instead of ticking one option saving time? It actually takes MORE time to fill in every box for every question with numbers and shit than to just tick one option.... Its just a matter of simple instructions that are easy to follow.
Btw, the survey forms are optional. We've never forced anyone to do anything if they've felt it was a waste of time. I'm from MDC btw, in case if your royal highness commander mind of sergeant brilliance has yet to figure.
I respect your opinion but these are the facts so please dont assume stuff when you obviously dont even have an idea of what I'm talking about.
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deathism
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I'm a clerk in OCS. Trust me, officers aren't as enthusiastic as you make them out to be. It's so much easier for me to get stuff from about 100 cadets even though i gotta give them a week to do so because they gotta get it from home and they book out on the weekends. The officers although much smaller in numbers (about 10), takes me more than a week to do so.
Out of curiosity, what's your vocation in the army?
EngelFaeuste
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Stop defending the general lot of them. Combat vocation big deal ah? I'm in a combat vocation too. I don't feel insulted by Ized's words. While I respect Air Force officers, generally for their professionalism and the way they treat their subordinates, I cannot say the same for ARMY officers, and ARMY specialists. I've met my fair share of good and bad ones. I have never seen an Air Force officer do a half-assed job, or trying to avoid blame for a screw up, or taking a short cut, or ever finding simple things like surveys a waste of time. I have seen army officers do all of that, and more.
centralcatchment
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Let's see how the kids turn out in 10, 20 years time. I'll be happy for them if they don't turn out like Sufiah Yusof.
centralcatchment
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Well I've done well in the Singaporean education system but I think that it's too rigid, too stifling. Although, in context, I can believe if the system in Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Hong Kong is equally bad in this regard, if not worse. I will forever be grateful that I didn't go to school in those places.
The students also have to blame themselves for not being particularly creative. In our society, we just have this small mindedness, being really petty. The real threat to creativity is not "the system", but rather the way that Singaporeans tend to knock people around simply for being different. I don't think it is the system which stifles society, but that the system is simply reflecting the way that our society is.
But the system also has some problems and I can imagine why people who didn't do well at school are so angry at the system. We're not a society who is good at co-opting a lot of people who didn't do well at school. These people deserve a chance at succeeding in life but it'll be hard for them.
DeathCubeK
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Ized - I know you're from MDC, it was mentioned by some other guy in a few posts back. I don't know why you need to keep bringing that up? Is it really something to be proud of?
deathism - I never said the whole lot were enthusiastic. I've met tonnes of officers who should have their ranks stripped off. The kind that are lazy but wayang infront of their OC and during times they feel 'ON'. But I respect what Infantry(and generally most) officers had to go through to get their ranks, just like specialists. It's something that someone who's most shiong outfield was BMT field camp won't understand. And I was an Infantry PS... Unit or batch not important. Although I just ORD'ed last year.
Engel - It's interesting you get to serve in a combat vocation while meeting all sorts of people from Army to Navy. What exactly did you do in NS? Please tell me you weren't from the Navy. Wonder why you'd consider that combat. I do find it a big deal, and I do feel a need to defend what I believe in when it's being challenged.
deathism - I never said the whole lot were enthusiastic. I've met tonnes of officers who should have their ranks stripped off. The kind that are lazy but wayang infront of their OC and during times they feel 'ON'. But I respect what Infantry(and generally most) officers had to go through to get their ranks, just like specialists. It's something that someone who's most shiong outfield was BMT field camp won't understand. And I was an Infantry PS... Unit or batch not important. Although I just ORD'ed last year.
Engel - It's interesting you get to serve in a combat vocation while meeting all sorts of people from Army to Navy. What exactly did you do in NS? Please tell me you weren't from the Navy. Wonder why you'd consider that combat. I do find it a big deal, and I do feel a need to defend what I believe in when it's being challenged.
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EngelFaeuste
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=DeathcubeK
Went from Army to Air Force, not Navy. Basically I'm an army vocationalist in an Air Force unit as part of the ops crew directly supporting flying ops. Flight ops happens to be combat ops. You could say I'm combat support. Somehow, my combat pay is the same as those infantry guys. I'll tell you this, there's pride where I work, people are professional. They don't treat their men as subordinates but as people to work with, people who cannot be done without, they respect their men.
It's not about how 'shiong' your life is. It's about how much the effort you put in affects actual operations. I don't like infantry guys like you who think that just because you go through a ton of shit, you're better than the rest. While you happen to be an important factor on the ground, just remember, without Air Combat Command and Air Defense and Operations Command covering your asses, ONE, ONE SINGLE strike fighter can terminate your entire company.
You're an arrogant prick, get that? While we'll never win a land war without the infantry, the infantry will be massacred without CAS elements by enemy CAS elements. The whole integrated strike force is dependent on each other, and if every shit on the ground is like you, I don't think you will find support from others very forthcoming. I hope you enjoy getting strafed by hostile aircraft with no hope of friendly air support because someone thinks that infantrymen are expendable.
Went from Army to Air Force, not Navy. Basically I'm an army vocationalist in an Air Force unit as part of the ops crew directly supporting flying ops. Flight ops happens to be combat ops. You could say I'm combat support. Somehow, my combat pay is the same as those infantry guys. I'll tell you this, there's pride where I work, people are professional. They don't treat their men as subordinates but as people to work with, people who cannot be done without, they respect their men.
It's not about how 'shiong' your life is. It's about how much the effort you put in affects actual operations. I don't like infantry guys like you who think that just because you go through a ton of shit, you're better than the rest. While you happen to be an important factor on the ground, just remember, without Air Combat Command and Air Defense and Operations Command covering your asses, ONE, ONE SINGLE strike fighter can terminate your entire company.
You're an arrogant prick, get that? While we'll never win a land war without the infantry, the infantry will be massacred without CAS elements by enemy CAS elements. The whole integrated strike force is dependent on each other, and if every shit on the ground is like you, I don't think you will find support from others very forthcoming. I hope you enjoy getting strafed by hostile aircraft with no hope of friendly air support because someone thinks that infantrymen are expendable.
kawerty
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Come on la,No point in saying all of these here. You guys have side tracked greatly from a child prodigy to army.
One thing i wanna say is,with just the air support,you can't win a war. And that applies to the infantry/medics/specialists/navy or any other tittles. The whole point of having a force and dividing them into sections like these(navy,air support,land) is so that we can have coverage from all over. You Air dudes can't detect subs and navy can't detect high flying jets.
If everyone has the thinking such as you both do,i think before the enemy even sets out on their way here,you would alrd have defeated each other just by arguing on who's the best. Why? Are you both the arrogant and proud of your squad that you can't undrestand the essence of team work?
Stupid or not,what matters is to get the job done. Fast. People on land have to be brute,brave and tatical,thats how they do it. Both air and sea does the same thing,but on different terrain. They detect enemies in their terrain and take them out. And when needed,give info/support to the soldiers on the land which they may/maynot accidentally hit with their droppings and pellets.
Everyone has different attributes,so does the different army squads. Its just like comparing a sniper to a hand pistol. one can reload fast and kill in long range,while the other is more of stealth and accuracy. But they both serves the same purpose on the battle field,to take their enemy out. I hope you guys understand by this.
dodgethis
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Hey, man. What's your beef with us? Just because we Navy guys don't chiong sua like you doesn't mean we are not fit to be called combatants. Do you actually know it is like to serve on board a ship? Life onboard a ship as posted crew is not as easy as you make it out to be.
didn't engelfauste already make it very clear that everybody has to work closely with everybody?
dodgethis
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