Yngwie Malmsteen
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fibredrive
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yeah i got that album too, plus some others, after listening couple times, also found it repetitive. but then, i was inspired by a few songs to want to hone my techniques...
whatever little there is that is...heh.
whatever little there is that is...heh.
vernplum
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The 'Classic' Yngwie album is the first one, simply named "Yngwie J. Malmsteen's Rising Force". Go buy that one - forget those dumb collection albums. (The next best one IMHO is "Trilogy", then "Marching Out")
Trust me, you won't be disappointed - and bear in mind that when this album dropped on the music scene like an atomic bomb in 1984, the guitar-playing community was pretty much jaded, and everybody could play like Van Halen - this album totally turned it on its head when it arrived and shook everybody up bigtime.
True, his solos became quite repetitive after a while and his songs got gradually more and more sappy (I'd say, after his 4th album Odyssey), *but* his playing is very, very distinctive - one of the guitarists in this age who has a truly recognisable musical personaluty, and that can't be all bad...
btw - all his albums have terrible, terrible sucky lyrics!
Trust me, you won't be disappointed - and bear in mind that when this album dropped on the music scene like an atomic bomb in 1984, the guitar-playing community was pretty much jaded, and everybody could play like Van Halen - this album totally turned it on its head when it arrived and shook everybody up bigtime.
True, his solos became quite repetitive after a while and his songs got gradually more and more sappy (I'd say, after his 4th album Odyssey), *but* his playing is very, very distinctive - one of the guitarists in this age who has a truly recognisable musical personaluty, and that can't be all bad...
btw - all his albums have terrible, terrible sucky lyrics!
vernplum
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Oh, and he's really fat now, which is kind of funny - when he burst onto the scene about 20 years ago, he was sooo thin!
There's a picture of him with the owners of Davis up on the wall in their store - he looks like some Sumo wrestler. I wonder if I would trade being thin(ish) for being able to play like him... raises an interesting philosophical question....
So, guys and gals of SOFT - what would *you* do to be able to play like your fave player?
There's a picture of him with the owners of Davis up on the wall in their store - he looks like some Sumo wrestler. I wonder if I would trade being thin(ish) for being able to play like him... raises an interesting philosophical question....
So, guys and gals of SOFT - what would *you* do to be able to play like your fave player?
stillwater
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Vaiyen said:
Surpassed him?...how can that be possible man, and what do u use to gauge? If he's a pioneer, he has created history. Whoever comes later are just followers aren't they?
Just like if u say EVH is the first, but now many has surpass him... In terms of what man? He may not be playing as fast, or as loud as he was 20 years ago, but does that mean he's in anyway more inferior?
stillwater
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Chanmin, I agree with you.
Yngwie is the best. 8)
Yngwie is the best. 8)
penta-tonic
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when i think of speed the first name which comes to mind is yngwie j malmsteen. dats y hes de legend man. its kinda like liking pple to certain techniques. like steve vai = weird.
stillwater said:
OK I guess I should have been more specific in my post. Surpassed him TECHNICALLY. Technique is objective and easy to judge. Many guitarists out there blow him out of the water.Of course, Yngwie still writes some of the best neoclassical tunes. Rising Force rocks.
vernplum
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gordonzz said:yup agree.
i used to think malmsteen is the fastest.. but then i got to know michael angelo.. but den.. i guess yjm is more famous
Ugh - Michael Angelo is the epitome of the shredder that gives playing fast a bad name - soulless technical licks which are fast for the sake of being fast in the true 'guitar olympics' manner. All his playing sounds like he's doing exercises and he is indistinguishable from all the other 'cookie-cut' post-Yngwie shredders that glutted onto the scene in the late 80s. On top of this, he has one of the *worst* wigs I've ever seen in Metal - man, that thing looks like a dead possum or something.
Sure, there are many guitarists who can play more notes per second than Malmsteen, but doing this comparison and thinking this equates to 'surpassing' someone is missing the point.
Yngwie's playing is not just technical flash - it is full of feeling. He has one of the most distinct vibratos on the scene, once praised by Steve Vai as 'super wide'. He has a supreme sense of melody, and let's not forget that his solos are all improvised - not preplanned like so many other shredders.
I agree though that it is a while since he really pushed himself to innovate, which is a bit of a shame, but he has always stood by his "this is me" approach and stamped his personality and trademark Strat thru Marshall sound so firmly that as soon as you hear a lick, you know it's the Yngwie hallmark. There aren't many other guitarists out there so instantly recognizable. You gotta respect him for that.
Agree with all your points but you are missing the point. I am talking strictly about technique. Neoclassical metal is really peanuts compared to jazz fusion, not that I can play any of it. Check out the tab of a Frank Gambale or Shawn Lane song and you'll see that they shit over 90% of so-called shredders.
Even in the neoclassical realm, there are many players who can out-yngwie Yngwie, in a technical sense. Jason Becker was one of the first to do that. And he did it 20 years ago. Also bear in mind that he recorded Perpetual Burn at the age of 17.
And you would be surprised at how much your views echo mine. Check out my post at http://soft.com.sg/new/modules.php?...start=60&sid=de4378988adb9267429f7b77defb7a95
I think I was the first to use the phrase 'guitar olympics'!
Even in the neoclassical realm, there are many players who can out-yngwie Yngwie, in a technical sense. Jason Becker was one of the first to do that. And he did it 20 years ago. Also bear in mind that he recorded Perpetual Burn at the age of 17.
And you would be surprised at how much your views echo mine. Check out my post at http://soft.com.sg/new/modules.php?...start=60&sid=de4378988adb9267429f7b77defb7a95
I think I was the first to use the phrase 'guitar olympics'!
marshall_law
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Yngwie is too repetive. He uses the same key too much. He sweep too much. Boring. When i watch G3 Dvd, i almost fell asleep watching his segment. Sweeping and swinging the guitar round round his neck. Boring man!!!
Jason Becker and Angelo are the only guys that has surpass Yngwie in technical sense. You don't know what's speed until you listen to them.
Jason Becker and Angelo are the only guys that has surpass Yngwie in technical sense. You don't know what's speed until you listen to them.
vernplum
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Vaiyen said:
Ok- fair enough; you are debating purely around technique - but careful, because this is a very difficult thing to define, let alone measure. Even so, Yngwie does many things that I haven't seen other guitarists do - one example being playing licks in very wide intervals up and down the neck, like in the pre-solo break on "Rising Force" (Odyssey) where he does the same licks with superb accuracy in the 1st, then 12th positions (then ascending) at hyper speed. Anyway, it's horses for courses at this point, where the argument breaks down and things begin to get very subjective. Personally, I love Jason Becker - he has it all; technique, feel, a masterful compositional ear (Air, Altitudes are breathtaking).
The point I was trying to make about "nobody does Yngwie better than Yngwie" was around musicall personality, individuality and expression. I believe this is something that all musicians should work on over and above all other things such as technique, theory, etc. There is too much emphasis on being 'better, faster' etc. especially with the beginning guitarist, which is almost unavoidable unfortunately and everybody has to go through it at some stage, but the dangerous trap is this: after a while, you'll begin to realise that it's futile to try to be like another guitarist - you can never be like them anymore than you can actually *be* them. At this point, a lot of people give up and the guitar spends more and more time in the cupboard. What people should realise is that there is nobody who can be better at being *them* than they themselves. It is this realisation that marks the turning point into lifelong 'musician'.
Don't get me wrong, technique is great - everybody should have some, but only as a tool to support what it is that they want to say.
Great post in the other thread btw.
BTW: my favourite guitarist of all time - Allan Holdsworth. Everybody should hear him. *He* shits over everybody else from a very, very great height.
Once again, agree with all your points. You can see I share your sentiments with some of my previous posts. Nothing annoys me more than Yngwie- wannabes.
It's just that some people hold Malmsteen as the benchmark for 'most skilled' or 'most technical', so I feel a need to refute that myth.
And yes! Holdsworth is the fooking MAN!
It's just that some people hold Malmsteen as the benchmark for 'most skilled' or 'most technical', so I feel a need to refute that myth.
And yes! Holdsworth is the fooking MAN!
Though boring he may be, but he definitely is referred to when people talk abt speed. Firstly, i think he sorta made shred music popular. Then came others that tried to copy him. Hence he deserves respect for that. I aint sure who came before malmsteen that plays like him, but when we talk abt shred music, he is often referred to.
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