WTS: Epiphone Casino (Sun-burst)

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Hi Softies, up for sale is almost mint condition famed Epiphone Casino Semi-hollow Guitar(made in china). Also affectionally known as the "Bealtes" guitar due to the fact of high profile usage by Paul/John/George. The guitar has just been setup to a lower neck action and mechanic are all functioning. I have also replace the stock pups to that of the P90 for a more crunchy sound. Guitar does not come with any case, so please bring along one for dealing. Alternatively, I can deal at your place should time permit.

Selling Price : $500 firm (you will not find this price elsewhere)

Drop me a sms to secure deal : 91167828

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SPECIFICATIONS
Body 5-ply maple with basswood top bracing
Neck mahogany
Neck Joint 16th fret, Glued-in
Fingerboard rosewood with parallelogram inlays and 22 medium jumbo frets
Fingerboard Radius 12”, 24.75” scale
Nut Width 1.68
Neck Profile SlimTaper™ “D”
Pickups P90
Bridge Stop Tail and Tune-o-Matic
Tailpiece Trapeze
Machine Heads Small button
Hardware Nickel
Toggle Epiphone
 
the pickups are wrong.

the pickguard is wrong. the pickguard should no longer than the 4th farthest fret. and this one is longer than the 5th farthest.

it is in the small details.
 
yubsesperat, if you are not buying and it isnt a fake, why dont you just keep your mouth shut or bring that 'problem' you have of the detail with the seller himself, if not, no one gives a hoot about your 'little details', thanks.
 
yubsesperat, if you are not buying and it isnt a fake, why dont you just keep your mouth shut or bring that 'problem' you have of the detail with the seller himself, if not, no one gives a hoot about your 'little details', thanks.

it is a FAKE.

ask the seller what pickups did he have this switched with? if it was an upgrade to better pickups, wouldnt it be beneficial to say what pickups he had this upgraded with?

and if i was buying, would you think id want to UP this ad and have others beat me to it?

now, do you make sense asking me those two stupid questions contesting the intention of my post?

if no one gives a hoot about my little details, do you want the newbies to learn the hard way and buy fake ones thinking they bought an authentic piece?

i just want people here to represent their items TRUTHFULLY. if you got a problem with that, youre the one with the problem. deal with it.

QUEUE IN --> musikal.
 
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Thanks yubsesperat for pointing out the little details. Fyi 17wil it is this kind of "little details" that help buyers know what they are buying. This is a forum, everyone got the right to voice out what they feel, so why you getting all uptight about it? If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen! By the way, here's a question to the seller, you said you changed the pickups to P90, the casino already has p90 pickups and they are in chrome, so why did you change to another set of p90 pickups? May i know what's the serial number? All Epiphone guitars especially the China made ones has serial numbers. I'm not saying you're selling a fake here, maybe you got it from someone who was dishonest about the whole thing and you didn't even know. The pickguard definitely looks incorrect/off and i'm curious as to why you changed the pickups to p90 when the casino already has chrome p90 on it. Thanks
 
One more question to the seller, how many casinos do you actually own? I've seen your previous posts and they were all sold and now it's back up for sale again?
 
Thanks yubsesperat for pointing out the little details. Fyi 17wil it is this kind of "little details" that help buyers know what they are buying. This is a forum, everyone got the right to voice out what they feel, so why you getting all uptight about it? If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen! By the way, here's a question to the seller, you said you changed the pickups to P90, the casino already has p90 pickups and they are in chrome, so why did you change to another set of p90 pickups? May i know what's the serial number? All Epiphone guitars especially the China made ones has serial numbers. I'm not saying you're selling a fake here, maybe you got it from someone who was dishonest about the whole thing and you didn't even know. The pickguard definitely looks incorrect/off and i'm curious as to why you changed the pickups to p90 when the casino already has chrome p90 on it. Thanks

and yes, im not accusing the seller. it may have been that someone told him this was authentic. ive met and dealt plenty of people where i gave them the bad news myself.
 
they just label it SOLD and post a new AD for the item.

Thanks for pointing it out. To label it sold and then post the same item up again is not allowed on other forums. Other forums view this act as misinterpretation. This casino just doesn't seem like an original, i hope the seller did not get rip off when he got it. Once again, thanks.
 
Now that you all mentioned it.. the back of the guitar does look irregular. The sunburst casinos have a mostly black back, not the spade shaped orange thingy you seen there.

And this seller seems to have many casinos for sale, maybe he has a factory making them lol
 
you are basing all these on your so-called knowledge, like i said, why dont you bring it up with the seller instead of trying so hard to bring justification that it is a fake. DO you even make any sense in questioning my questions when he did specifically mention it to be a facotry b stock. you have a reputation for digging other people's info and make problems out of nothing in this forum. If that is your opinion, why then can i not question your opinion? You just want people to represent their items truthfully? Perhaps you then would like to show us how TRUTHFUL you are then.

If I have a problem, I would go to the seller himself. If you aren't buying, why do you impose your self centred opinion on others then? How's about the next time you sell something, I call the police and 'implied' you stole it from somewhere illegal. Sure, it is in the small details, but this isn't the place to show off your knowledge about such 'small' details.
 
17will people who are not expert have the right to be inform that it might be a fake,the seller by now should come forward and inform us if he bought it used and was conned,if so who conned him,
 
you are basing all these on your so-called knowledge, like i said, why dont you bring it up with the seller instead of trying so hard to bring justification that it is a fake. DO you even make any sense in questioning my questions when he did specifically mention it to be a facotry b stock. you have a reputation for digging other people's info and make problems out of nothing in this forum. If that is your opinion, why then can i not question your opinion? You just want people to represent their items truthfully? Perhaps you then would like to show us how TRUTHFUL you are then.

If I have a problem, I would go to the seller himself. If you aren't buying, why do you impose your self centred opinion on others then? How's about the next time you sell something, I call the police and 'implied' you stole it from somewhere illegal. Sure, it is in the small details, but this isn't the place to show off your knowledge about such 'small' details.

A forum is a place where everyone shares info, those who know more share more with others who are starting out. The worst thing that can happen to a newbie is to get rip off. We are not here to bash the seller, i sure ain't as hell bashing the seller. I even mentioned that the seller himself could have been conned when he got the Casino. This Casino just doesn't seem right, the pickguard is all wrong the pickups are definitely the wrong colour, i know the seller claims to have changed the pickups but what aftermarket brand did he changed to? The Casino originally came with chrome P90 pickups and the seller claims that he changed to pickups to P90 pickups? I also want to know what is the serial number of this particular Casino? The reason why i started asking questions is because, in his previous posts, the seller did not know where this guitar is made from, he also stated that this Casino is a B stock guitar, but strangely, all this information were not included in his more current posts. Most music forums ban the sales of Fake guitars, they even ban the seller who's selling it on their forum. Guess Soft.com.sg has more relax rules hence there's so many Fake guitars for sale over here. If you do some research, there are many fake Epiphone guitars around including the Casino, and the one the seller is selling definitely looks like a fake as far as i'm concern. Remember, i'm not here to bash the seller, i'm here to help prevent newbies, fellow guitarist and forum members from getting rip off. Being rip off is not a nice feeling.
 
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you are basing all these on your so-called knowledge, like i said, why dont you bring it up with the seller instead of trying so hard to bring justification that it is a fake. DO you even make any sense in questioning my questions when he did specifically mention it to be a facotry b stock.

i will give you $2000 if you can find anything here, in this specific post that says he specifically mentioned it to be a B-stock. and i quote:

Hi Softies, up for sale is almost mint condition famed Epiphone Casino Semi-hollow Guitar(made in china). Also affectionally known as the "Bealtes" guitar due to the fact of high profile usage by Paul/John/George. The guitar has just been setup to a lower neck action and mechanic are all functioning. I have also replace the stock pups to that of the P90 for a more crunchy sound. Guitar does not come with any case, so please bring along one for dealing. Alternatively, I can deal at your place should time permit. Selling Price : $500 firm (you will not find this price elsewhere) Drop me a sms to secure deal : 91167828

Find anything?

You have a reputation for digging other people's info and make problems out of nothing in this forum. If that is your opinion, why then can i not question your opinion? You just want people to represent their items truthfully? Perhaps you then would like to show us how TRUTHFUL you are then.

Why should I establish my truthfulness? Have I conned anyone here? Have I sold any questionable items here? Have there been any complaints about my dealings here? In fact, ive been sold faulty stuff before. And i hate it for anyone to be sold something else other than what they expected.

If there are any complaints about me is that I point out inconsistencies and lies on posts here on soft. I make enemies out of rude members of this forum and liars, people who are not for the truth just to make a sale. Im not going to apologize for that.

You do not make any sense. Are you questioning my opinion or are you questioning my intention? IF you want to question my opinion, by all means, show me otherwise that this is NOT a fake. My opinion, is that it is.

How's about the next time you sell something, I call the police and 'implied' you stole it from somewhere illegal. Sure, it is in the small details, but this isn't the place to show off your knowledge about such 'small' details.

WOW! I stole it from somewhere illegal! One at a time, smarty pants.

Imply it? You think the Police will act on your implications? They are not stupid, like your suggestion is. They wont ask for trouble for something they do not have evidence for.

And that is plain idiotic to use that as an example.

You saying that I stole from somewhere illegal (LOL) the stuff im selling is accusing me of theft and illegal activity.

While I, saying that this guitar is a FAKE is saying the item is counterfeit. There is no accusation there.

If I have a problem, I would go to the seller himself. If you aren't buying, why do you impose your self centred opinion on others then?

Self-centered opinion? You've got the FORUM all wrong. This is a forum - a public meeting place for open discussion or a medium of open discussion or expression of ideas.

Im not attacking the seller but im attacking the idea he has presented - that this is a genuine Epiphone Casino, which I believe is not. Now if that would hurt his SALE, you have to be reminded that this is first a FORUM before it is a Classifieds. Then that is the risk you take for putting it up here. Put it up on ebay or where else where comments are not allowed.

If i tell the seller in secret, what could he do?

a. doesnt believe me and tell me to f*ck off

b. assuming that he knew all along that it was a fake, now knows he's secret is OUT. takes it out of soft and sells it somewhere else where he could still pass it off as genuine.

then an eager newbie, with little knowledge, sees it for sale on gumtree and buys it! that newbie is actually a soft.com member. but since there werent any discussions on For Sale items coz every one just sent Private Messages and no one really dares question these items on sale, he didnt know about it.

he is now a owner of a guitar he proudly shows his friends as his 'baby' only to be humiliated when he finds out it was FAKE after all.

c. seller realizes that indeed this is a FAKE and sells it with FULL disclosure that it is a FAKE (we cant call it a copy coz it has the exact brand on the headstock).

d. seller acknowledges my points and goes on to prove that the guitar is genuine: verifies it with epiphone (however since this is SAID to be B-stock, in no way will Epiphone validate it because they wont sell anything that does not pass their Quality Inspection), serial number checks out and the mystery of the wrong pickguard and pickups are solved with an explanation that adds up, then i learn that i was wrong in my conclusion. Me, myself and I learned.

If I post what i think, with VALID points, what will happen?

a. i will get stupid remarks like 'if youre not buying, then you should shut up'.

b. i will be told that i 'should point it out to the seller, in private'.

c. i will be told that im a nuisance.

d. newbies will learn what to look out for, especially when buying certain gear, to avoid getting conned.

e. sellers passing off fakes for genuine stuff will think twice of posting here.

f. the seller proves the guitar to be 100% genuine and I will be proved as a nuisance and everyone shouldnt give a f*ck about what i say.
 
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i wonder where the 'B-stock' idea comes from. I went through all the posts for this guitar by the seller and there was no indication made by the seller on his ad of it being a B-stock.

i wonder how 17wil knows about that.
 
i wonder where the 'B-stock' idea comes from. I went through all the posts for this guitar by the seller and there was no indication made by the seller on his ad of it being a B-stock.

i wonder how 17wil knows about that.

I think yubsesperat did everyone on this forum a huge favour by providing us with information. Even his information is wrong, the onus is on the seller to clarify. AT the end of the day, we have more accurate information (whether yubsesperat is wrong or seller is wrong). This will benefit all users of the forum, whether sellers or buyers or just people looking to better understand guitars.

yubsesperat should not be criticized for taking the time to pen his thought and point out some facts. To discourage that would be akin to censorship.

17, your suggestion to bring it up to the seller is not practical. If yubsesperat's intentions is to provide more information to all users, bringing such issues up to the seller will only lead to a deadend.

Thanks yubsesperat.
 
i wonder where the 'B-stock' idea comes from. I went through all the posts for this guitar by the seller and there was no indication made by the seller on his ad of it being a B-stock.

i wonder how 17wil knows about that.

The seller did state it was a B stock in one of his earlier post, i saw it and i'm wondering how come the post is no longer on the forum. The description keeps changing from post to post, in an earlier post, the seller doesn't even know where the guitar is made. For those who's wondering what a B stock is, it's normally a guitar with finish flaws or some other flaws that Epiphone deems unfit to sell as a normal A stock guitar. There's also a "2nd" stamped behind the headstock. Normally a B stock guitar is sold at half the selling price of an A stock guitar. At times it's even sold way lower than half of the selling price of an A stock guitar depending on how servere the flaw is. Swee Lee is selling a brand new A stock Made in China Epiphone Casino for $870, so this one doesn't seem like it's a very good deal for a B stock Casino provided it's an original Epiphone Casino to begin with. I hope the seller will post here soon to clarify that this Casino is not a fake. I did sms the seller awhile back, it seems like he doesn't know what he's selling, he doesn't seem to know much about the guitar.
 
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hi all,

Apology for the late reply. Did not log in for quite awhile & am stun to see so many posts. I will like to say that I do not have intention to sell fake. The reason i created so many threads is because i can't seems to bump up my previous thread, hope this explains why i open quite a few with the same item.

Secondly, this guitar was traded with fellow member ep.tjan back in 2010. He was selling this guitar around $900 here. I have since send him a PM to clarity.

As for the pickup, i understand the original stock was a P90 in chrome. It has been replaced with what i thought was a P90 pickup as well(pardon my ignorance). Anyway, i hope the seller replies me and really hope I can clear the air. I am sorry for all the hoo-har that I might have stirred up. Peace.
 
hi all,

Apology for the late reply. Did not log in for quite awhile & am stun to see so many posts. I will like to say that I do not have intention to sell fake. The reason i created so many threads is because i can't seems to bump up my previous thread, hope this explains why i open quite a few with the same item.

Secondly, this guitar was traded with fellow member ep.tjan back in 2010. He was selling this guitar around $900 here. I have since send him a PM to clarity.

As for the pickup, i understand the original stock was a P90 in chrome. It has been replaced with what i thought was a P90 pickup as well(pardon my ignorance). Anyway, i hope the seller replies me and really hope I can clear the air. I am sorry for all the hoo-har that I might have stirred up. Peace.

Thanks for clarifying. I'm sorry to say that your Casino is most likely a fake. Is there a serial number behind the headstock? And if there is, is there a "2nd" stamped near the serial number as well to indicate that it's B stock? I hope to see that the original seller would clarify as well. The original chrome P90 were good, why did he change to another set of P90? What brand are those? I've seen posts by the original seller, his posts are often not very clear and some of his guitars are way overpriced.
 
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