this guitar came to the store just the body and neck (finished) and then the store got all the hardwares and pickups installed. I bought this guitar in a complete condition.
we have now established that this guitar is not a Genuine Epiphone Casino. there can longer be any debate about that.
to say that its a Genuine, it should have the correct and exact hardware and electronics every Epiphone Casino should have.
given that a guitar can have modifications made to it with regards to hardware and more often with pickups, and yet still having maintained its authenticity, the fact that those changes were NOT made known when the guitar was presented, counts as a misrepresentation and intent to deceive.
coz frankly, who among us would not mention if a change was made to guitar when its perceived as an improvement or an upgrade? surely, this will increase the value of the guitar, will it not? but why was it not disclosed?
more so, having the knowledge that the hardware and electronics was different from what was originally in it, below quality and/or are of incorrect specifications and
present it, price it and sell it as if it was truly a Genuine Epiphone Casino is nothing short of deceit and racketeering.
@supreme - were you aware about this at the time you were about to trade? what did he exactly tell you? if he did NOT, that is enough grounds for you to ask a full refund. and thats being soft on him (pun).
but really, why did you have to say:
I have also replace the stock pups to that of the P90 for a more crunchy sound.
when you didnt replace them yourself?
why didnt you just come clean about the history of the guitar?
what if another newbie bought it from you thinking it was really a Casino and later found out just like you did now? the trail of pointing fingers would just keep on going.
however, if he was totally transparent about the history of the guitar, then he has no responsibility to refund you anything at all. he would just have to live with himself having everyone know that he tried to pass the guitar off as a genuine Casino by pricing it as if it were.
I personally believe that is not fake because i know where the guitar came from. It was shipped to the local guitar store (finished body and neck with no hardwares) and labelled with B-Stock because it didnt pass the quality
Allow me to quote a reputable ebay seller on what B-stock guitars are:
http://reviews.ebay.com/What-are-B-Stock-and-Refurbished-Guitars?ugid=10000000008469746
B-stock and refurbished guitars are items which upon inspection by the manufacturer fail to meet their quality control guidelines. Issues such as a scratch or minor finish flaw prevent them from being sold as “New”. The flaws with B-Stock guitars are typically so minor that there is no need repair them.
On the other hand, refurbished guitars usually have more than just cosmetic imperfections. Refurbs typically have sustained structural damage which has been repaired by the manufacturer or outsourced to a third party.
if that wasn't clear enough, let us go to
www.bstockguitars.com
A "B" stock guitar is a guitar that will either have a blemish, be a return item from a store, a show sample, rep sample, or display item that has been used a couple times and can't be sold as new, or any other item that the manufacture can no longer sell as perfect
@ep.tjan - even if we give them a benefit of the doubt that they installed the pickups and hardware themselves, how could you account for the wrong headstock and wrong control knob positions?
left to right: supreme/etjan, sample A, sample B
you would notice the slight outward taper towards the back on both sample A and B that is missing in this guitar.
although both headstocks of this guitar and of sample B is finished entirely in black, you will still notice that taper on the later but is absent on this guitar.
as ive presented earlier, there is a major discrepancy between the position of the control knobs on this guitar compared to the examples from standard Casinos.
Do you really think these MAJOR differences in the guitar could still qualify it as a B-stock?
Do you really believe that assembly guy in the factory actually glued in a neck that had the wrong headstock to a body with holes for the controls drilled completely wrong?
Far worse, do you really think they would get as far as sanding, binding, painting it, completing a guitar without spotting these discrepancies and take it out of the production line before it went to the next step?
Have you ever considered the ODDS of this happening? A guitar so unlucky - a neck with the wrong headstock ends up glued and paired with a body that has incorrect control holes in it?
I think the chances of thas happening in a Gibson-operated Epiphone factory(Quingdao as you have claimed it) is if it wasnt an Epiphone factory! This could not have come out of an Epiphone factory, whether without hardware and electronics. And much more unlikely if it did!
how can you explain that?
believing that this is genuine because a certain shop said so and simply taking their word for it is just absurd for someone like you with so much experience with high-end, lucrative guitars. truly, someone of your stature shouldve known the difference, right? do you still hold on to what they told you after seeing so much discrepancy between the genuine Epiphone Casino and this one?
we hear your faith on the guitar being genuine. however, to believe in something by virtue of association doesnt hold up against the the obvious clues and FACTS that are now too conclusive to ignore.
Its as if I maintain to believe that my dad is really my biological father just because my mom said so, when in fact, his DNA doesnt match mine. But what my mother isnt telling me is that she had been with another man prior to being with my dad and would like to believe she had conceived me with him and not with the other guy.
the DNA results would make perfect sense if she would come out clean and tell the story about her previous relationship.
how reputable is that shop? and now that its blatantly obvious that this guitar couldnt have been a B-stock, there is the question of
who lied to who?
If you were told that it was shipped to them as a B-stock, finished, without hardware and electronics, its either they were lied to or they lied to you.
It's not in Singapore, but in West Borneo (indon)
@ep.tjan - if you have nothing to hide,
name the store.
would a reputable guitar shop sell a guitar as B-stock if they knew it wasnt?
in they didnt know, dont you find it silly that they operate a shop and be these idiots that dont know whats genuine and not? what were they doing operating a shop?
