What do you think jazz is?

[vernplum]

=redname

Maybe to you, but not all jazz is improvised.

You need to qualify your statement " in fact all or most music origin from the blues". This is clearly wrong. Mozart had nothing to do with the blues and predates it by several hundred years. Additionally, these days, just because something is newer than the blues doesn't mean it originated from the blues. I think this kind of statement is bandied about too frequently now. Sure musicians may have listened to blues music, or blues-influenced music, but that doesn't mean that the music they now make originates from it. Take a typical death or black metal band. What does that music have in common with blues? I IV V progressions? No. Uses pentatonic scales (sometimes, but often not - even these predate blues by centuries anyway, so blues did not invent those). Gloomy 'depressed black man' lyrics? No. Anyway - going off topic - this would be a good thread in itself.

Point: just because blues is older than a lot of popular (and underground) music doesn't anymore (IMHO) mean that all music after it originated there.

 

[empihsrow]

It's true that jazz originated from blues, but not all music are from blues.

Jazz is soul music. I will say that metal and jazz are twins. Just that both of them live in different ends of the world.

If you get what I mean.

 

[Raistmar]

Jazz is my friend.

Black metal = Afro rock?

 

[Dime]

Black metal = Afro rock?

nice one there.but all bit racist.

 

[ac]

i agree with vernplum.

Jazz might have some similarities with the blues ( i.e the blue note, call response, black guys with large hands ) but to say it originates from the blues is to neglect influences from other areas.

 

[ShredNoob]

Jazz is the hardest genre... either u get it or u dont i believe..
"If i had to play only one genre, i'd play the hardest, jazz"
-Nathan East

 

[redname]

=vernplum

1stly, i did say most music origin from blues, which in fact i'm saying there r some which didn't, 1 in particular is gospel music.

2ndly, from ur writing, its very clear tht you dnt know about the blues. u might know music but blues isn't only about what u wrote about. I IV V progression? thts called the 12 bar blues for your info and its jus a chord progression, doesn't need to be used in the blues. man there so may things you've mistaken. i'm not saying u r wrg, in fact u r mistaken

one morething, pls explain urelf on how come u said that not all jazz is imrpovised?

 

[redname]

=ac


i think you've already answered urself. jazz came from blues along with the influences like funk, rock etc... along the way

 

[ac]

hehe you'll find the answer by the by.

 

[vernplum]

=vernplum

1stly, i did say most music origin from blues, which in fact i'm saying there r some which didn't, 1 in particular is gospel music.

2ndly, from ur writing, its very clear tht you dnt know about the blues. u might know music but blues isn't only about what u wrote about. I IV V progression? thts called the 12 bar blues for your info and its jus a chord progression, doesn't need to be used in the blues. man there so may things you've mistaken. i'm not saying u r wrg, in fact u r mistaken

one morething, pls explain urelf on how come u said that not all jazz is imrpovised?

If you are in fact saying that there 'r' some which didn't then say it, don't leave people guessing. You also say 'all or most'. Define the proportions.

Ok- whatever - I don't know about the blues. It's obviously very clear to someone as perceptive as you. I'm not going to debate with you because you clearly know all about me and what I know about from just 3 sentences. Go read my other 1500 posts and come back and tell me what you think I know and don't know.

Not all jazz is improvised?:

Big Band Jazz for example is not improvised: Big band - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"In contrast to smaller jazz combos, in which most of the music is improvised, or created spontaneously, music played by big bands is highly "arranged", or prepared in advance and notated on sheet music. The music is traditionally called 'charts'. Improvised solos may be played only when called for by the arranger."

 

[e4t3n]

well to me jazz is a the 'lowest' form of music. can play jazz = can play anything. hahah..

or maybe it is the highest form

 

[DarkRed]

well, just started getting interested in jazz a couple of yrs back, and i play the bass so approaching from that pt of view.

what i understand is that it has different sub genres which kind of evolved thru the years. im generally a bit loose about genres because i think they're just words trying to capture a certain music style, and different pple will think of different things when you mention the same genre to them.

on the ground though, when you mention jazz the stuff that comes to mind are to me are the more well known jazz standards liike autumn leaves, girl from ipanema (wonder how many pple googled ipanema beacuse of this song ), fly me to the moon etc. feel wise, most of the songs tend to 'swing' a bit... or else fit into a bossa nova kind of feel. singers like frank sinatra, ella fitzgerald.

came across some more complex (for want of a better word) music which cld be called jazz too.. (fusion?) artistes Miles Davis, Chick Corea, Herbie Hancock.

before jazz standards though, i had a couple of encounters with what some pple call 'acid jazz' or 'groove jazz'. basically music built around grooves and hooks and would make any bass player happy tts bands like incognito, brand new heavies, spyo gyra and fourplay.

 

[crazyguy106]

DarkRed you play jazz bass too?

That's cool... Do you play anywhere or gig?

 

[nonsense]

"alicia keys is jazz".........



ok that's what i heard from someone before (strangely)

i think jazz is mostly free-form music where musicians can openly express themselves musically, but within the boundaries of the song structure (like those in the Real/Fake Book). it is the genre that requires you to be one with your instrument.


...just like alicia keys.

 

[edder]

JAZZ IS KENNY G!!!!!

ok i'm ready to be poked and grilled over acetylene flame..... :mrgreen:

 

[shredrat]

something fking nice but i cant aint good enough to play properly.=(

 

[tim098]

well, i don't know why but i associate jazz with sex.
LOL.
you get what i mean?

I associate jazz with sex too, just of the really high class kind. haha

 

[trowaclown]

Jazz is a musical style that originated from the African-Americans in America (duh) in the 19th-20th century. Jazz has many sub-styles like bebop, swing, hard swing, big band etc. It's like porn to me man. I can't exactly describe it to you, but I can tell it when I see/hear it.

 

[fuzztremecho]

IMO

Jazz is just a term for music created by man. Bros, what if the genre metal as we know of today was back then called jazz? just imagine..we have death jazz,black jazz,nu-jazz,heavy jazz and etc..etc..

And the genre jazz as we know today was back then called metal? hehehehe...
and r & b was called classical and vice versa...

so at the end of the day...good music is good music, whateva the genre..
on a sidenote..R & B in ktv is a totally different genre and taste...*sigh* i missed those days...

 

[wyldeboon]

to me...

jazz = playing wrongly but make it sounds nice, smooth. like jumping from cloud to cloud...
and
consists of weird weird chords... which i call CB chord.

i dun reli have much knowledge in it but i like Frank Gambale.