wats the diff between crash and ride?
- Thread starter liquid
- Start date
Faizalhacker
New member
ride is ting ting
crash is HESSH
crash is HESSH
drumsolo86
New member
Well there is a reason why there is crash and ride written on the cymbal. If it says crash, the cymbal is usually BEST suited for crashing purposes. They are usually thin, or medium thin in weight. But it DOES NOT MEAN you cannot ride on it.
For example, Zildjian K Dark Medium Thin Crashes (16" onwards) sounds decent as a secondary jazz ride too.
On the other hand, ride cymbals have "ride" written on them because the cymbals were designed for "riding" purposes in mind. These cymbals usually are medium to medium heavy or even heavier. However, that does not mean these rides cannot be crashed. Punk rock drummers and rock drummers use rides such as Zildjian's A Sweet Ride for sole crashing purposes too. There has been this trend lately where drummers prefer neater setups with 2 crashes, so having a ride which they can crash opens up options for them too.
On top of that, there are rides which can't really be crashed, they usually open out with a loud gong instead, like Sabian's HH Raw Bell Dry Ride.
Hope I made this thread a useful one.
For example, Zildjian K Dark Medium Thin Crashes (16" onwards) sounds decent as a secondary jazz ride too.
On the other hand, ride cymbals have "ride" written on them because the cymbals were designed for "riding" purposes in mind. These cymbals usually are medium to medium heavy or even heavier. However, that does not mean these rides cannot be crashed. Punk rock drummers and rock drummers use rides such as Zildjian's A Sweet Ride for sole crashing purposes too. There has been this trend lately where drummers prefer neater setups with 2 crashes, so having a ride which they can crash opens up options for them too.
On top of that, there are rides which can't really be crashed, they usually open out with a loud gong instead, like Sabian's HH Raw Bell Dry Ride.
Hope I made this thread a useful one.
ceing
New member
To me a ride is juz a term used as a so called 'secondary time keeping cymbal', which means its simialr to ur hi hat. Actually in my opinion any cymbal (including crashes and effects cymbal) can be used as a ride cymbal if used properly. It also depends on de genre and most importantly the feel of song. Doesnt really nid to care wad the cymbal writes. theres no write or wrong in drummin, if it sounds good and reasonable to u, its correct. juz a little thought. ^^
Composer of Requiems
New member
But I think some rides if you keep crashing it'll be bad for the ride, sooner or later it'll crack if you hit wrongly.
Hi...
Just to VALUE-ADD to this thread...
In technical aspect:
Crash cymbal is anything ranged from 14" to 19" and they are thinner. Usually we hit them right on the body of the cymbal using the shoulder of the sticks which creates a "DISH" sound. Depends on the quality and material used, some creates really loud piercing crash sound or very dark warm crash.
Ride cymbal is anything ranged from 20" onwards to 24"(John Bonham's Ride) and they are thicker. Usually how we play it is using the tip of the stick and hit it on the body and creates a "Ding" sound or we use the shoulder of the sticks and hit on the bell of the cymbal which creates a "Ping" sound. Similar to the crash cymbal, different material creates different sounds, may it be dark or bright.
In musical aspect:
Music is similar to a conversation. When you speak, there got to be a punctuation. A crash is similar to a punctuation. Usually you start off with it, ends with it or you use it as a comma. USUALLY we crashes at the end of a phrase. Well, i hope it is not too "CHIM" for you.
Ride is more like a vocabulary. We use it to talk as much as we can and often used it during a more dynamic way instead of a hi-hat. Some people say it is used as a time keeping cymbals but for me, i like to use it more like expression and do more talking on it. It is highly depending on ones preference.
In creative aspect:
Of course you can break all these rules and crash a bloody ride or ride a bloody crash. You also can use a hammer instead of a pair of drumsticks but i doubt you want to do that. Nobody can stop you trying to break all these rules and have a say for yourself.
Hope I have Value-added to this thread and Liquid managed to take away something from this post.
Just to VALUE-ADD to this thread...
In technical aspect:
Crash cymbal is anything ranged from 14" to 19" and they are thinner. Usually we hit them right on the body of the cymbal using the shoulder of the sticks which creates a "DISH" sound. Depends on the quality and material used, some creates really loud piercing crash sound or very dark warm crash.
Ride cymbal is anything ranged from 20" onwards to 24"(John Bonham's Ride) and they are thicker. Usually how we play it is using the tip of the stick and hit it on the body and creates a "Ding" sound or we use the shoulder of the sticks and hit on the bell of the cymbal which creates a "Ping" sound. Similar to the crash cymbal, different material creates different sounds, may it be dark or bright.
In musical aspect:
Music is similar to a conversation. When you speak, there got to be a punctuation. A crash is similar to a punctuation. Usually you start off with it, ends with it or you use it as a comma. USUALLY we crashes at the end of a phrase. Well, i hope it is not too "CHIM" for you.
Ride is more like a vocabulary. We use it to talk as much as we can and often used it during a more dynamic way instead of a hi-hat. Some people say it is used as a time keeping cymbals but for me, i like to use it more like expression and do more talking on it. It is highly depending on ones preference.
In creative aspect:
Of course you can break all these rules and crash a bloody ride or ride a bloody crash. You also can use a hammer instead of a pair of drumsticks but i doubt you want to do that. Nobody can stop you trying to break all these rules and have a say for yourself.
Hope I have Value-added to this thread and Liquid managed to take away something from this post.
FREEKILL9566
New member
Crash cymbals are mainly for accenting certain beats and notes. Most of the time, they put a crash at the beginning of bars and after fills, to exaggerate and emphasise. But there are also crashes that people "ride" on, crash-ride cymbals etc.
Ride cymbals are mainly to keep rhythm, and a variety from the always, and common hi-hat. In my opinion, ride cymbals give more presence then a hi-hat. Many jazz musicians use the ride to keep rhythm. But some rides can be crashed too.
Simple way.
Crash - CHIANG!
Ride - Ting ting ting
Hope that helped. ;D
Cheers,
WWH
Ride cymbals are mainly to keep rhythm, and a variety from the always, and common hi-hat. In my opinion, ride cymbals give more presence then a hi-hat. Many jazz musicians use the ride to keep rhythm. But some rides can be crashed too.
Simple way.
Crash - CHIANG!
Ride - Ting ting ting
Hope that helped. ;D
Cheers,
WWH
jeepers
New member
Just to point out.
A crash cymbal can be anything from 14" to 22" in diameter. I'm partial only to bigger cymbals, 17" and up. Anything smaller doesn't have that oommph I like.
It depends on the individual; whether he/she wants to crash the ride, ride the crash, crash the crash or ride the ride.
I crash my rides a lot. I've got 21", 22" and 24" rides.
Oh ya. There are also Crash/Rides.
A crash cymbal can be anything from 14" to 22" in diameter. I'm partial only to bigger cymbals, 17" and up. Anything smaller doesn't have that oommph I like.
It depends on the individual; whether he/she wants to crash the ride, ride the crash, crash the crash or ride the ride.
I crash my rides a lot. I've got 21", 22" and 24" rides.
Oh ya. There are also Crash/Rides.
FREEKILL9566
New member
Crash/rides are cymbals that have both characteristics. You can ride on them, but they sound like crashes. It's like if you crash an ordinary ride, it's gonna sound quite different... If you ride a crash, that's gonna be pretty noisy. Crash/ride cymbals allow you to ride and give the crash sound without sounding too... weird so to say. Hope that helped.
Cheers,
WWH
Cheers,
WWH
weckl-x
New member
One thing to think about: Zildjian Avedis crash/rides are the same cymbals as medium-thin crashes of the same size.
18" A med-thin crash = 18" A crash/ride. Don't know about the other series.
Some history: Zildjian Avedis III was the first guy to label cymbals to help sell them better.
18" A med-thin crash = 18" A crash/ride. Don't know about the other series.
Some history: Zildjian Avedis III was the first guy to label cymbals to help sell them better.
Composer of Requiems
New member
Just to point out.
A crash cymbal can be anything from 14" to 22" in diameter. I'm partial only to bigger cymbals, 17" and up. Anything smaller doesn't have that oommph I like.
It depends on the individual; whether he/she wants to crash the ride, ride the crash, crash the crash or ride the ride.
I crash my rides a lot. I've got 21", 22" and 24" rides.
Oh ya. There are also Crash/Rides.
You can always order EVEN BIGGER crashes custom made =P
marcdadrummer
New member
stop at 20"!
Composer of Requiems
New member
Composer of Requiems: Yeah can always do that, but.. will you?
My goal in life is to have a 42" crash =O
