wats the diff between crash and ride?

You can only use it as a ride, definitely not as a crash.

It's gonna bloody wobbly! A sight to behold!

But the overtones will kill. You'll have to use a whole roll of tape I tell ya!
 
jeepers said:
You can only use it as a ride, definitely not as a crash.

It's gonna bloody wobbly! A sight to behold!

But the overtones will kill. You'll have to use a whole roll of tape I tell ya!
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No need I'll just install like 20 rivets and a chain so all the overtones sizzles away, then dampen the rivets with cloth!
 
Composer of Requiems said:
My goal in life is to have a 42" crash =O
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I prefer having a 42" Monitor in my room. Play game shiok!

Just sharing what I think. Sizes don't really determine crash and ride. You can ride a crash and you can crash a ride. It's what sound you want. I'm using a super thick ride. But crash can be thick and ride can be thin. So don't be so bothered about labelling them.
 
liquid said:
Erm question again.

I browse around the buy/sell for drums , Often see the term crash and ride.

Can i noe wats the difference of it?
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They are both cymbals, ride is use mostly to play the subdivision of a beat, while the crash is mostly use for accenting. However that doesnt mean that you cant ride the crash or crash the ride.

Ride cymbal are usually bigger and heavier than crashes because we need more sticks definition from them, while crashes sound more washy when use it as ride but more explosive when use as crash.
 
Quattro said:
They are both cymbals, ride is use mostly to play the subdivision of a beat, while the crash is mostly use for accenting. However that doesnt mean that you cant ride the crash or crash the ride.

Ride cymbal are usually bigger and heavier than crashes because we need more sticks definition from them, while crashes sound more washy when use it as ride but more explosive when use as crash.
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I don't think it's so much of the size... I mean size does matter, but it's also a lot to do with weight and shape (profile)
 
so be it.

there are 14" crash/rides.

size, weight and profile all matter. but ultimately you decide whether you like it or not.

right now i'm digging my 17" KCDC as a LSR.
 
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jeepers said:
so be it.

there are 14" crash/rides.

size, weight and profile all matter. but ultimately you decide whether you like it or not.

right now i'm digging my 17" KCDC as a LSR.
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If you are playing advant garde, xperimental jazz etc, you can also use a 10" splash as ride cymbal. As far as most general music is concerned, I believe no one will use a 14" cymbal as his primary ride cymbal.

17" K custom dark crash as ride? If I have noise constraint, or playing a Jordan cocktail drum kit, I wont mind using that as ride. (but that will be a compromise)
 
Quattro said:
If you are playing advant garde, xperimental jazz etc, you can also use a 10" splash as ride cymbal. As far as most general music is concerned, I believe no one will use a 14" cymbal as his primary ride cymbal.

17" K custom dark crash as ride? If I have noise constraint, or playing a Jordan cocktail drum kit, I wont mind using that as ride. (but that will be a compromise)
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Hahaha I tried using a hi-hat top as a ride before. I could possibly like it, just that it meant I couldn't use my hi-hat.
 
Quattro: I'm not sure man, I've not had the pleasure of hearing a 14" Crash/ride personally. I know a certain someone from the forum used a 14" bottom hat (I think!) as a ride in a quick recording session.

The 17" KCDC is my LSR (Left-side Ride), not the main. My main alternates between my 22" Artisan Med and my 24" Avedis '60s.

Composer of Requiems: I thought most people use the bottom hat 'cos it's heavier.
 
quattro, never say never lah. it might come into fashion using a 14inch. u never know man, check out wilco's drummer he uses all sorts of weird shit. i bet no one thought of using a tube and blowing into a drum to change its pitch.
 
jeepers said:
Quattro: I'm not sure man, I've not had the pleasure of hearing a 14" Crash/ride personally. I know a certain someone from the forum used a 14" bottom hat (I think!) as a ride in a quick recording session.

The 17" KCDC is my LSR (Left-side Ride), not the main. My main alternates between my 22" Artisan Med and my 24" Avedis '60s.

Composer of Requiems: I thought most people use the bottom hat 'cos it's heavier.
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I hope that is a compromise and not because it sounds better than a "normal" ride cymbal.

Like I said, if you want to do experimental stuffs, you can use 10" splash as ride and no one is going to make any comments. however in the context of this thread, when someone is asking about the difference between ride and crash, I think we should just stick the the fundamental and not get too carried away.
 
blurred said:
quattro, never say never lah. it might come into fashion using a 14inch. u never know man, check out wilco's drummer he uses all sorts of weird shit. i bet no one thought of using a tube and blowing into a drum to change its pitch.
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why are you talking weird SHIT when someone is asking such a fundamental question like what is the difference between ride and crash?

have you tried filling up your drums with water? that might make you look and sound weird too. :D
 
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Quattro said:
why are you talking weird SHIT when someone is asking such a fundamental question like what is the difference between ride and crash?

have you tried filling up your drums with water? that might make you look and sound weird too. :D
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hahhaha wats to say wats weird. there are no right and wrongs in music,there are only guidelines. the better u understand this the better a musician u'll be.
 
hehe... since we're on the subject of non-conventional cymbal choices... do check out wilco/glenn kotche.

wilco's drummer glenn kotche is famous for being nutty (actually he is not the nuttiest ones i know)


check out his webby here:
http://glennkotche.com/


his solo kit setup (looks kinda like a tech rider to me)
http://glennkotche.com/technical.php#solokit


there's a wilco kit setup too... check it out. there was a modern drummer interview on him (he made the cover !!! oh my)
http://www.moderndrummer.com/updatefull/200001586

this line from the interview killed me : " I also put a lot of preparations on the drums. I had chains lying across the drumheads, the cymbals were resting on the drums and each other, and I put beads and rice on the heads so that everything was interacting from the sympathetic vibrations."




wilco @ wiki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilco



and finally... hear him play (try youtube)
 
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Hey, I saw him on the cover and I bought it!! It was quite a read....cool stuff he got going and I LOVE his ride cymbal sound so raw!!!....
 
jeepers said:
Composer of Requiems: I thought most people use the bottom hat 'cos it's heavier.
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Haha I was just screwing around so I raised the top hat all the way up and ride on it loh. But it wasn't a very good hi-hat, so I guess I shouldn't compare. That time I was still using my Zildjian ZXT titanium >_>

Quattro said:
why are you talking weird SHIT when someone is asking such a fundamental question like what is the difference between ride and crash?

have you tried filling up your drums with water? that might make you look and sound weird too. :D
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I heard this drummer filled up a vistalite floor tom and put fish inside for some show. Imagine if all your drums were filled up and sealed so it won't leak, then with fishes O_O probably can't resonate properly though, since the water cannot be compressed.
 
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