Singapore's Mentality in Sports - Ridiculous?

tim098

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I have to rant about this after I saw the very well prepared Beijing Olympics Opening Ceremony.

Singapore's policy in sports is to take in other countrys' rejects and mould them into sports superstars. More like a fat hope, it will never happen.

But the winning isnt my main issue here. I saw countries which I haven't even heard of before sending their own homegrown sportsmen in the opening ceremony. Seeing how happy they are, and their level of togetherness just made me think, whats the bloody point of continuing this stupid result-based policy (which doesnt yield anything at all) when there isn't any value added to the country or its real citizens. If Singapore DOES happen to win something, other countries will just think "Ah, that person isn't even Singaporean."

Even sending in a whole contingent of born-and-bred singaporeans and win nothing would make me more proud of Team Singapore than all these "foreign talents" winning medals.
 
I agree. While ppl like Tao Li have real talent, i feel that deep inside each one of us 'true' Singaporeans there is a hidden sporting talent, and most of us have the soccer bug. I have seen kids no more than 13 or 14 juggling, shooting, dribbling and passing like superstars and i wonder 'where are the scouts'? Some of these ppl are actually better than those in the nat'l team! If we put real heart and soul into training and conditioning ourselves, every single one of us could theoretically become superstars in our own right. But i think its the notion that not many ppl have what it takes to really succeed, the determination, ability to handle pressure, and the Singaporean mentality of getting high salaries that prevents many of us from undertaking that role. And i dun disagree with these facts either, many ppl have the raw talent but they can crash out beacause of the constant pressure and the weight of commitment.

Bottom line: many of us 'born and bred' Singaporeans are simply too soft to undertake this, many of us opt for the easy way out; study hard, get a nice cushy job and rake in the cash. Why bother getting roughed up and injured making big money, when u can do that all in the comfort of an air-conditioned office? I admit i'm guilty of that too and so are many of us, which is why i really respect ppl like Quah Ting Wen or Koh Seng Leong, who aren't foreign imports but are still there, competing on our behalf. They are the ones who have the mental strength to succeed in life. And before we start ranting about the government's role in bringing in all these foreign ppl, maybe we shld think about ourselves and how we shld have been the ones training and auditioning ourselves. We can't always expect the government to spoonfeed us. If u think u have talent, go ahead and show it. This is one thing that i regret that i haven't done. We need to be more pro-active. Just my 2 cents worth, no offence to any foreign-born Singaporeans here.
 
who will wanna be a sportsman in singapore ? :)
if you tried and became half bucket sportsman dangling no where ... then good luck to you, not to mention the pathetic income
if you are one that can get a gold medal that's another story :)
 
It is true that Singaporeans themselves don't make the effort to step up. Yeah you're right.

Maybe right now the SSC are pushing local talents in sports once again, but I feel that the error, made a few years ago during the CRAZE about foreign talent, when people like Mirko Grabovac and Egmar Goncalves were brought in with the main agenda being to make them attain citizenship, has far reaching effects on Singaporeans.

I really wish Singaporeans' mindsets will change in the future. A country that is competent in both the business and the sporting worlds would be so ideal. Then again, the ideal is usually the improbable. Ahh..

Oh yeah, I mean no offence toward any foreign born Singaporean who may read these
 
you have to look at the mindset of our government ... what's their top piority ?
let's say there is 100 citizen there, will they want these 100 guys to work for the economy or to fight for pride in the sporting world.

if you can get what i mean :) :)
 
i think its mainly government and the parents la..
look at china... they start training those kids when they are 3 or 4...

singapore, all the parents do is, make you go to school.
STUDY IS THE 'BEST'
you want play soccer play in school lor...

but cannot blame them what.
truth is, its very hard to make it in singapore
it takes a genius...
look at fandi ahmad, hes probably the best ever local footballer
but he doesnt earn much at all.

and bout tao li.. i dont think im even proud of her la...
even if she wins a gold medal, shes not born and bred here.
i dont understand the government.
damn loser sia, our top local athletes all foreigners one.
the ronald susilo, the li jia wei and tao li...
=//
 
Like i told my parents quite recently, money and education need not be the most important things in life. Sure it is great to have both because well, it's pretty self explanatory, who the hell wouldn't want a good education and great money.

But there other means of attaining happiness and satisfaction in life. Music, the arts, sports, all these. Money and education can be secondary to such things. But look at Singaporeans. Do the majority of parents in Singapore share this sentiment? Does the Govt. publicly promote this non-materialistic mindset? Nope. And as long as this mindset continues to be rejected, neither sports nor music will truly flourish in this country.
 
I was reading on China's Qin Dynasty while taking a dump just know.
Heres a passage.

'It was Qin's policy of employing brilliant & ambitious aliens that brought men like Shang Yang to its land in the first place. No country was more eager to attract men of talent from other countries than Qin. The kings of Qin were willing to offer the highest office of the country, the position of prime minister, to a distinguish foreigner. The policy paid of handsomely for Qin'

Will we be heading this way? I sure hope not!!

Wait... I hope to be one of the 'quitters' so it wont really matter anyway.
 
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Singapore idea of a true sporting success is an Olympic gold medal, a Fifa World Cup victory, a Thomas Cup crowning, among other high profile things. You and I both known that the odds of a local winning anything of such caliber is S-L-I-M.

Local athletes who gain glory in ASEAN and Asia championships are given passing mentions. Mardan Mamat only got a small article on the Straits Times when he won the OSIM Singapore Masters, which mind you is a professional competition.

Where's the support? And it doesn't help that the public puts down the local athletes by saying that they got no hope or that they're just entering the competition to rack up experience points. Don't tell me you didn't ridicule the FAS when they mentioned about their GOAL 2010 aim?

I support the foreign talent scheme because it helps local athletes step up their game. If not for the foreign talents, the locals would be slacking around, resigned to the fate that the public has thrown at them, that they would never become world champions. However, when you send a squad full of China and Indonesian nationals donning the flag of the Republic to the Olympics, foreign talent becomes nothing but a way to cheat your way into the medal charts.
 
Oh yeah, I definitely remember the days of Goal 2010. And me saying it would never happen. Heh, I'm guilty of being another of those pathetic stereotyping Singaporeans.

But especially in the case of the Olympics, my main issue here isn't Singaporeans winning medals. It is Singaporeans even entering the competition.

I'll give an example, remember back in secondary school when there were combined sports days between like different schools, where 4 schools would compete against each other in different track events. The support each student gained from his/her school was ENORMOUS. I mean not just the filling of the stadium but the cheers, the atmosphere, the excitement. It would have been different if some random champion young sprinter from let's say.. Thailand, anyhow got enrolled into the school a week before, JUST to compete and win in the games.

See what I mean? And this is just at the amateur school level. If such support can be rallied at national level, sporting successes from REAL Singaporeans wouldn't be so few and far between, IMO.
 
goal 2010 is unrealistic.
give a baby a guitar and make him the new malmsteen, and now you have put singapore on the world map, agree guys?
 
Actually, given the circumstances, i would not have supported GOAL 2010 either. Where were the coaches that were supposed to train all our young athletes? Where were the training facilities meant to bring our level of soccer up 1 or 2 notches? Sometimes it comes down to funding, public support, availability of personnel and even space. Our public support is H-O-R-R-I-B-L-E. When was the last time one of us went down to the local stadium to support the local team? I've never ever been to a live S-League match and i feel thoroughly ashamed. Sure, i can say i've been studying, i'm too busy, i watch the live telecast on TV ( this i do ) but aren't all these excuses so typical of us? In order to help liven up our sports scene, we must do our part in supporting our local talent. Our Singapore Slingers pulled out of the National Basketball League due to lack of support, as did Tanjong Pagar FC a long time ago. Once champions of the S-League, now a bankrupt club. Where is the love? As Neil Humphreys says in one of his books: the only reason some of the people are in the stands are because they're betting on the game. We need to start planning about our sporting future. As mentioned by bro chrisiscoolerthanyou, in many countries, not just China, kids start training at 3 or 4 years of age. Now, it may be that it is not worthwhile to be a sportsman in Singapore. I agree and why? The public support is missing. Crowds bring in money to pay the athletes. Crowds bring the atmosphere that athletes want to bask in. I applaud the Government's decision to stage the YOG here. Maybe we can pick up some tips on how to better train our next generation of athletes and more importantly, plan for the future. As the old saying goes, everything takes time.
 
Ya right.......that thing to me is just a farce. The only really famous sportswomen there is tao li. And she's not even Singaporean. Who else? Yes, u can say that most of them are up-and-coming but shldn't we be getting at least a few snippets of news abt their development?
 
To be honest, I did not ridicule Goal 2010 when it was first announced. In fact I was quite enthusiastic and was already like imagining Singapore in the World Cup in 2010.

However, I was against the way how the Goal was implemented, especially with the focus on bringing in foreign talent. The question here is whether the foreigners were really talented and eventually, we only get foreigners who are almost passing their prime to play for the national team.

The argument that some supporters of the foreign talent scheme used back then was "FRANCE WON THE WORLD CUP IN 1998 WITH A LOT OF FOREIGNERS". I was truly disgusted with this lack of contextual knowledge and understanding of French history and the composition of French society. Yes, you have an Algerian, some Senegalese, some Congolese, some Mauritians, some Caribbeans but these people originated from countries who were once colonies or even, for the case of Algeria, part of France. Also with the increase in migrant workers from former colonies in France during the 60's, these footballers were either 2nd-generation Frenchmen or naturalized Frenchmen because they had grown up all the while in France. So in France, they were considered French, not foreigners nor even foreign talent.

I thought that Goal 2010 could be achieved if proper structures, be it physical infrastructures or mindset, were in place in order to ensure that the talent that we have are properly nurtured. I have seen the recent National Team played and I believe that the locals have really stepped up. Some might want to attribute it to the infusion of the foreign-born players in the team but I feel that, more importantly, the reason why the local players are really stepping up is because of their own determination. Given a much more thorough development and heavier emphasis on mental strength, I believe we can have a very good national team of local born-and-bred footballers.

I am not trying to diss foreign talents or foreigners but I am actually criticizing the way how the foreign talent scheme is handled and how and what kind of the "talents" are approached to don our National colours. Seriously, if we managed to poach a precocious young talent like Lewis Hamilton (F1), Lionel Messi or Alexandre Pato to compete for Singapore, I think the FTS would add value to the sports scene. And I feel that we should be more stringent in getting the foreign talents. Besides talent, we also need to look at their commitment to go all out for Singapore or else, stories like foreign talent returning back to their homeland and giving up Singapore citizenship would be more common (remember, these people, the sportsMEN, don't serve NS nor reservist... so these things kinda like irk me)

Having said all these, in the football arena, I still feel that with proper nurturing talent, Singapore still has a chance of qualifying for the World Cup in years to come... but let's make our appearances at the Asian Cup more regular first. :)
 
these foreign athletes are an initiative by the government.

the problem with foreign talent

logically speaking, if you want a player to improve, you send him to train in a place where the standard of the sport is higher than at home. if you send an athlete out to a country where the standard is lower, he will probably get worse, rather than for that individual to raise the standard of the entire country.

for example, if steven gerrard were to move to the middle east, japan or USA to play for bigger bucks, will the standard of the sport there improve? probably just good for the glamour, but mr. gerrard will also get worse.

so logically speaking, what we should be doing, rather than to bring the WORLD into SINGAPORE, we should send SINGAPOREANS out into the WORLD. it is quite egotistical and arrogant to believe that the former could actually work out.

herein lies a big problem. if you send singaporeans overseas, will they come back? nowadays it is hard to find a high-profile cabinet minister who might have still been here had he not been bonded by the government and SAF.

the second problem is loyalty. this not only defies logic, but it defeats its own purpose. do you expect a person who is not even loyal to his own country of birth to be loyal to singapore?

we need to ask ourselves a serious question. is singapore winning medals more important than singaporeans succeeding? clearly the emphasis is on achievement rather than the people. and this underlines the problem with singapore; it is always about the country, and never about the people. singapore has no love for those who don't achieve.

Goal 2010

Goal 2010 is absolutely ridiculous. It is just plain stupid. Football is not the same as athletics, swimming, table tennis or badminton. it is a team sport. and that brings about some implications.

In football it doesn't matter how good your country is. the only thing that matters in football is the ranking. there is no point in improving your team when other teams are improving at a faster rate.

maybe our policymakers don't understand how the world cup is played (maybe they don't even understand football). for ASIAN nations in the world cup, only four asian teams will make it into the world cup finals. a fifth spot in the finals will go to the winner of a playoff between the fifth asian team and the top team from oceania (which is always australia).

you can have big dreams for singapore. but qualification is simple, we have to be better than iran, south korea, saudi arabia, japan and australia. nowadays even iraq and uzbekistan are entering the fold. if we are better than only some of them, it will go down to the luck of the draw. right now we can hardly top ASEAN, and for the past decade, there has been no trend that suggests we are even moving in the right direction.

there are some singaporeans (who don't understand sports) who cut our athletes alot of slack. but what kind of mentality do you bring into a sport? "there is nothing to lose", or "failure is not an option"? it is obvious who has the greater hunger and desire.

for your information, malaysia has been importing players even before singapore. but they has since abandoned this plan. simply because it doesn't work. and you can imagine the pride of the people when their malaysian born and bred badminton player whips our indonesian lady killer. i suppose he is a player, but in a different sense.

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in this respect, singaporeans are a bunch of losers. because we don't know how to fight. we don't know how to win. we only know how to roll over.

the government initiates the influx of foreigners. whatever the government does is financed by tax. we, the people, pay taxes. in essence, we the people are paying these athletes to screw up. now consider this:

if a local athlete puts his blood, sweat and tears into the sport, but fails, we applaud him. what happens to a foreigner, who has entered a contract to win medals, who has migrated into our country for the sole purpose of winning games, who fails?
 
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+1 Shinobi

As for Goal 2010, the government has as much talent and commitment as Agu Cashmir. A certain ex-PM must be drinking too much Tiger beer when he announced this years ago. :D
 
we need to ask ourselves a serious question. is singapore winning medals more important than singaporeans succeeding? clearly the emphasis is on achievement rather than the people. and this underlines the problem with singapore; it is always about the country, and never about the people. singapore has no love for those who don't achieve.

+10000000000.

its only about the results. Sadly, I know for a fact that this just no apply to sports, but also to education and maybe even the working world (not sure cuz i have minimal experience with the working world).

Its the Singaporean Mentality. I dont know where it came from, why it continues but its GOT to end, it is ridiculous and gives us superficial success. And even this success has a cap to it, we dont and wont achieve more than we already have.
 
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