Sg slapped over Freedom of Speech
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khaninawatsibai
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man. why the hell report bowel movement. what if i have constipation then they put me in jail for not reporting :x
rottenramone
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hahahah!!
well, true enough. i personally don't believe in what the govt says is neccesarily right. but it doesn't end there. ppl must always look at both sides of the story to gain a better perspective of the situation.
http://www.singapore-window.org/
above link will bring you to a site which compiles newspaper reports which our national paper don't publish. pretty interesting read.
hahahah!!
well, true enough. i personally don't believe in what the govt says is neccesarily right. but it doesn't end there. ppl must always look at both sides of the story to gain a better perspective of the situation.
http://www.singapore-window.org/
above link will bring you to a site which compiles newspaper reports which our national paper don't publish. pretty interesting read.
Agree with ixora05...
hmm... Yes the S'porean education system is one of the best in the world, but they should continue pushing the boundaries man... They's always room for improvement when you're seeking perfection.
There's this Indian old fellow who was distributing books at City Hall spreading ill-repute of the govt... Who is he? I think he's broke, thanks to a lawsuit from "You-know-who". Poor guy...
hmm... Yes the S'porean education system is one of the best in the world, but they should continue pushing the boundaries man... They's always room for improvement when you're seeking perfection.
There's this Indian old fellow who was distributing books at City Hall spreading ill-repute of the govt... Who is he? I think he's broke, thanks to a lawsuit from "You-know-who". Poor guy...
http://www.escapefromparadise.com/NewFiles/seow.html
Heard of Francis Seow, anyone?
He got detained and interrogated just because of one reason:
Our dear Lee Kuan Yew was afraid of him.
Heard of Francis Seow, anyone?
He got detained and interrogated just because of one reason:
Our dear Lee Kuan Yew was afraid of him.
super_punk
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hifi_killer said:
well done my friend...
i think there's no escaping the fact that Singaporeans ARE scared to an extent of speaking their mind. it starts from ground up when students are punished for standing up for themselves against figures of authority. this what many call "defiance". i call it "the right thing to do".
i really don't think that a new state of political or social freedom will be achieved with this current party. i really don't. but at the same time, DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE "OPPOSITION" PARTIES? the PAP tightens its grasp on the people's minds by disallowing political advertisements, or PARTY POLITICS. this includes tv ads or newspaper columns or shows that mention the political party. but this just help accumulate POLITICAL APATHY singaporeans. so we all just look at voting slip and tick PAP, because we dunno who the other assholes on the paper are.
^Speaking of China, at least we're not like them right?
Almost Totalitarian rule of one single party. Oppositions are prohibited I think. In forums where people speak against the CCP, they will find out who these are, take action, then delete their posts and replace them with propaganda.
Let's just hope we don't get to that stage.
At least now PAP's pretending we're democratic.
Almost Totalitarian rule of one single party. Oppositions are prohibited I think. In forums where people speak against the CCP, they will find out who these are, take action, then delete their posts and replace them with propaganda.
Let's just hope we don't get to that stage.
At least now PAP's pretending we're democratic.
Ok, usually i do not want to engage in political conversation with people whom i do not know but i have met jumbofret so i decided to put in my views.
I have hang around the grassroots for about 10 years involved in different community committee and stuff. There are some things which i do not agree personally but we have to look at the bigger picture. When certain policy are made, they are made with the general population in mind. Some people might not benifit from it and some even might suffer because of it. but there is always a case-to-case review where an individual can seek help.
Regarding the few people whom were mentioned in the previous post. We must understand that politics is like battle field. Every move you make got to be planed out very carefully. Yes, they were speaking their views but was it a good move?
To me, freedom of speech is a very sacred thing. Anyone is free to hum a tune at home, if we want better, we could go to a ktv with some friends to show them our talents. But when we use a loud speaker and make noise along orchard on a busy saturday afternoon. Should that be considered as public nuisance?
Do not use "I am a musician, that gives me the right to make as much noise as I want". :wink:
I have hang around the grassroots for about 10 years involved in different community committee and stuff. There are some things which i do not agree personally but we have to look at the bigger picture. When certain policy are made, they are made with the general population in mind. Some people might not benifit from it and some even might suffer because of it. but there is always a case-to-case review where an individual can seek help.
Regarding the few people whom were mentioned in the previous post. We must understand that politics is like battle field. Every move you make got to be planed out very carefully. Yes, they were speaking their views but was it a good move?
To me, freedom of speech is a very sacred thing. Anyone is free to hum a tune at home, if we want better, we could go to a ktv with some friends to show them our talents. But when we use a loud speaker and make noise along orchard on a busy saturday afternoon. Should that be considered as public nuisance?
Do not use "I am a musician, that gives me the right to make as much noise as I want". :wink:
freedom
It has come to a point that I am afraid of what I say to people or in public after what happened to the pro-democracy groups. Or even speak to them while they sell their books in public. I know they are being watched. Its freakin scary to know that someday they can detain you without explaination under the ISA. Shivers...
It has come to a point that I am afraid of what I say to people or in public after what happened to the pro-democracy groups. Or even speak to them while they sell their books in public. I know they are being watched. Its freakin scary to know that someday they can detain you without explaination under the ISA. Shivers...
HeartRockSingapore
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Absolutely fascinating !!!! Even James participated in the discussion. I think the education system, however imperfect has produce people like Lars, Super Punk & Fored, who are in their teens (only few I know) and could have expressed in no uncertain terms their inner beliefs. I was a dumb at their age. James is correct to some degree that Freedom Of Speech is sacred. Most Singaporeans (may be a little too sweeping) don't bother what the hell FOS is all about, because they only talk about food, music, holidays, children, money, cinema etc etc. And they have absolute freedom to talk on things like that. But if they enter an arena by choice, whether for knowledge, pleasure or gain, you have to know what you are doing, how to do it and accept the consequences be they pleasant or otherwise. Male or female, we all wear clothes when we go about. Some ppl wear extra layers. But if anyone wants to venture beyond the outer layers into the inner chamber, for knowledge, pleasure or gain, they better know who they are, why they are doing it, and how they go about doing it and all elements must be applied correctly before they can successfully get what they want. On the flip side there are ppl who wouldn't mind strangers going over all their bodies... it could be that the whole body is faked with silicon.
There is no one perfect system of governance, but there lies one common thing about it and that is control. If in the eyes of the US diplomat that Singapore is bad because some people were punished for saying certain things (that upsets the order of the day), and Singapore is "bad", then I guess it is a pot calling the kettle black. Can the US, particularly the present administration be without flaw. What is Freedom of Speech without human basics. Go check out records and see whether if the worst of Singaporeans are anywhere worse of than the worst of US citizens.
Can we say the FOS that is enjoyed by US citizens is any better than the limited space of speech we have in Singapore. Ask any American politicians and they will tell you that there is no such thing in America as the elected representative must put aside at least one evening a week to meet thier electorate and to solve their little problems.
It seems that FOS is the sacred principal to be worshipped by the US, but it is the least of concern. You say what you like, I do what I wish. Read the underlying tone of the report. Is that what Singaporeans want of their government?
FREEDOM OF SPEECH ????
There is no one perfect system of governance, but there lies one common thing about it and that is control. If in the eyes of the US diplomat that Singapore is bad because some people were punished for saying certain things (that upsets the order of the day), and Singapore is "bad", then I guess it is a pot calling the kettle black. Can the US, particularly the present administration be without flaw. What is Freedom of Speech without human basics. Go check out records and see whether if the worst of Singaporeans are anywhere worse of than the worst of US citizens.
Can we say the FOS that is enjoyed by US citizens is any better than the limited space of speech we have in Singapore. Ask any American politicians and they will tell you that there is no such thing in America as the elected representative must put aside at least one evening a week to meet thier electorate and to solve their little problems.
It seems that FOS is the sacred principal to be worshipped by the US, but it is the least of concern. You say what you like, I do what I wish. Read the underlying tone of the report. Is that what Singaporeans want of their government?
FREEDOM OF SPEECH ????
thor666
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wow... this is becoming a long post. as i've always been interested in politics, i shall add a bit of my thoughts in:
i don't think that having more Freedom of Speech in Singapore is bad. We do need to expand a little, and I think the sporadic incidents that prevent people from speaking up is limiting the work going on. We don't need that kind of a no-bars held, US style, but there has to be more coming from the people.
White elephants at Buangkok MRT? Why not? How else is it going to wake the more senior people in charge, after so much complaining to the MPs and not seeing the results that people want? Why is it that the government can justify raising fares, policies of the SMRT (not opening Buangkok, accepting the 9mil in losses investigation by SMRT) and not even listen to the people who are using the trains everyday?
There are things that the government must come to terms with if Singapore is to progress. While it has its own objectives, it must listen to the needs of the citizens at times. the MRT is a public transport, and in my opinion, should never be a fully for Profit only organization. We'll never see MPs taking MRTs as much as normal citizens do, and it is a fact that MPs will never have to feel the squeeze during rush hours or travelling half an hour more to take a bus to another MRT station rather than Buangkok.
Having police investigating on the white elephants is simply pointless and tells people that your opinion is irrelevant and illegal.
FOS has to start somewhere. Can I ask, if Catherine Lim were to question about the great divide between the government and its people, will it receive rap from senior officals of the government again?
FOS does bring about its drawbacks, including people making irrelevant, unsound, and/or insulting remarks. So? On hindsight, was it appropriate for MPs, higher officals and their family to make remarks regarding the NKF saga? Why did they have more FOS to attempt to make a point?
whatever the case was, i do think a lot of people feel things are moving for the better after that NKF saga. We're finally seeing charitable organizations in Singapore evolve. Even in US, the Red Cross also does gets bad rap from citizens, and things are changing to become more transparent.
i think there isn't a need to open the floodgates for FOS. Perhaps we are not even mature enough as a society to accept such a big change. But at least open up a few channels for FOS, and be tolerant about it.
i don't think that having more Freedom of Speech in Singapore is bad. We do need to expand a little, and I think the sporadic incidents that prevent people from speaking up is limiting the work going on. We don't need that kind of a no-bars held, US style, but there has to be more coming from the people.
White elephants at Buangkok MRT? Why not? How else is it going to wake the more senior people in charge, after so much complaining to the MPs and not seeing the results that people want? Why is it that the government can justify raising fares, policies of the SMRT (not opening Buangkok, accepting the 9mil in losses investigation by SMRT) and not even listen to the people who are using the trains everyday?
There are things that the government must come to terms with if Singapore is to progress. While it has its own objectives, it must listen to the needs of the citizens at times. the MRT is a public transport, and in my opinion, should never be a fully for Profit only organization. We'll never see MPs taking MRTs as much as normal citizens do, and it is a fact that MPs will never have to feel the squeeze during rush hours or travelling half an hour more to take a bus to another MRT station rather than Buangkok.
Having police investigating on the white elephants is simply pointless and tells people that your opinion is irrelevant and illegal.
FOS has to start somewhere. Can I ask, if Catherine Lim were to question about the great divide between the government and its people, will it receive rap from senior officals of the government again?
FOS does bring about its drawbacks, including people making irrelevant, unsound, and/or insulting remarks. So? On hindsight, was it appropriate for MPs, higher officals and their family to make remarks regarding the NKF saga? Why did they have more FOS to attempt to make a point?
whatever the case was, i do think a lot of people feel things are moving for the better after that NKF saga. We're finally seeing charitable organizations in Singapore evolve. Even in US, the Red Cross also does gets bad rap from citizens, and things are changing to become more transparent.
i think there isn't a need to open the floodgates for FOS. Perhaps we are not even mature enough as a society to accept such a big change. But at least open up a few channels for FOS, and be tolerant about it.
HeartRockSingapore
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shibby said:
Make it to what or make it to where?
