EugeneSmasher
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The ride I use is a medium 22" ride, standard K Zildjian High Definition Ride. But its overtones are blearing when crashed...
Might try some other rides though.
Might try some other rides though.
Rides in confined areas.
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very seldom will a ride "overpower" your bass unless u have a really cutting sound ride and your hitting it really hard.as mel80 has mentioned earlier,its how you hit it.and the size of a ride only affects the tone of the sound,darker,brighter etc. vol. will not have a significant change
Here's my point of view(not directing this to anyone,just sharing my opinion)
n a ride,you will be tapping on it,and being such a small motion (as compared to crashing) the volume difference will be even less and the resonance will increase.its just like saying if i had 13" hats or 15" hats,that doesn't mean that the 15" hats are louder just because they are larger , i depends on the way the cymbals are made (factors such as thickness,bell size ,etc comes in). another example would be: if i hit a 16" rock crash and 17" jazz crash,can u say that the jazz crash is louder?
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Simple... Eg, A comparison between a boy and an adult. A young boy can make really loud shouts as well as soft whisper.. Same goes to the adult... So How can size be a factor of volume? Unless u go for a dB test on the cymbals, crash both as hard as hell, and see which one creates the loudest sound...
Size of cymbals will only varies in pitch and tone, not volume... I can crash a really huge ride which is softer than a smaller ride and vice-versa... It is how you crash it, not the cymbal itself.
According to my experience, any ride can be crashed, it only differs in the quality of tone. And no EugeneSmasher, Bass Drum can be softer than ride too. Its the matter of how you play it. Not forgetting that both instruments cover different range of sound frequencies, so its kind of difficult to judge which is louder. Technical term in pro-audio for "overpowering" is masking. And according to Gelfand, auditory masking is when the perception of one sound is affected by the presence of another sound.
"The phenomenon of masking is often used to investigate the auditory system’s ability to separate the components of a complex sound. For example if two sounds of two different frequencies (pitches) are played at the same time, two separate sounds can often be heard rather than a combination tone. This is otherwise known as frequency resolution or frequency selectivity. Frequency resolution is thought to occur due to filtering within the cochlea, the hearing organ in the inner ear. A complex sound is split into different frequency components and these components cause a peak in the pattern of vibration at a specific place on the basilar membrane within the cochlea. These components are then coded independently on the auditory nerve which transmits sound information to the brain. This individual coding only occurs if the frequency components are different enough in frequency, otherwise they are coded at the same place (Moore 1986)."
So yeah, does this explain everything?
Cheers mate
Size of cymbals will only varies in pitch and tone, not volume... I can crash a really huge ride which is softer than a smaller ride and vice-versa... It is how you crash it, not the cymbal itself.
According to my experience, any ride can be crashed, it only differs in the quality of tone. And no EugeneSmasher, Bass Drum can be softer than ride too. Its the matter of how you play it. Not forgetting that both instruments cover different range of sound frequencies, so its kind of difficult to judge which is louder. Technical term in pro-audio for "overpowering" is masking. And according to Gelfand, auditory masking is when the perception of one sound is affected by the presence of another sound.
"The phenomenon of masking is often used to investigate the auditory system’s ability to separate the components of a complex sound. For example if two sounds of two different frequencies (pitches) are played at the same time, two separate sounds can often be heard rather than a combination tone. This is otherwise known as frequency resolution or frequency selectivity. Frequency resolution is thought to occur due to filtering within the cochlea, the hearing organ in the inner ear. A complex sound is split into different frequency components and these components cause a peak in the pattern of vibration at a specific place on the basilar membrane within the cochlea. These components are then coded independently on the auditory nerve which transmits sound information to the brain. This individual coding only occurs if the frequency components are different enough in frequency, otherwise they are coded at the same place (Moore 1986)."
So yeah, does this explain everything?
Cheers mate
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plainsman
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there's some pretty good insights the bros here have shared.
to bring the discussion back to what jamella had asked previously, he was concerned a 20" ride would overpower the bass drum.
i think different people have different definition of 'overpower'
some wld say strictly decibel-wise
others wld go by the overtones generated, or the tone itself.
jamella,
i think for a small room, a 20" ride may sound a little loud at first.
as time goes by, and you get better technique-wise and learn how to coax an acceptable volume and tone out of it.
it would also be good because you may not use it in the room all the time, and may bring it out some day for gigging or jamming.
let us know if you have any more questions =)
cheers
to bring the discussion back to what jamella had asked previously, he was concerned a 20" ride would overpower the bass drum.
i think different people have different definition of 'overpower'
some wld say strictly decibel-wise
others wld go by the overtones generated, or the tone itself.
jamella,
i think for a small room, a 20" ride may sound a little loud at first.
as time goes by, and you get better technique-wise and learn how to coax an acceptable volume and tone out of it.
it would also be good because you may not use it in the room all the time, and may bring it out some day for gigging or jamming.
let us know if you have any more questions =)
cheers
tim098
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well i ve got a paragon ride. its 22", heavyweight. it sounds almost bad in my tiny lousy-accoustics room. But bring it out to a bigger area or with better acoustics and WOW. each hit makes me fall more n more in love with it. so ya i do think certain rides do not sound as good as they actually are in confined areas, especially if the acoustics in e area is bad and all the sounds just bounce off every darn thing in the room..
