Recording Live Drum Tracks on Separate Tracks on DAW Software

hi guys, don't get me wrong i'm not trying to boss around or anything just friendly reminder , reply by "clicking reply with quote" then remove the "quote" after typing. it's one of the forum rules.

AlvBobo : audiorecording is just my hobby, I do recording/mixing/mastering/producing. my works are here . I usually record drums at jamming studios/bedrooms. so I'm decently well versed in this area. like what ankursamtaney said you can just export the 1st 60 - 100 seconds of the tracks and people here can give a shot.
 
alvbobo : thank you! yeap they're all local, or the one's who aren't has left Singapore.. the bands are great musicians too I mainly take credit only for the co-producing cos I always let the band tell me how they want their levels/soundscape to be. the only downside it becomes subjective that some people find that the mixing engineer/producer should call the shots. I'm more "passive" as a "temporary band member" to represent their sound. but hey, what matters is the band has to like it first.

recording at jamming studios is usually a no-no for most studio engineers, but from the musician/drummer's perspective, they're usually most comfortable with the drumset they jam on. and that reflects alot in their playing during recording. worse to worst if the drumset is badly tuned, I'd just trigger.
 
Blueprint: Wow.. there's all these hidden talented bands shrouded in the shadows. If the band chooses to record in a recording studio, where do you usually do it?
 
the only few recording studios I recorded at was Green Door / Big Ear (closed down) / and Beat Merchants if that counts (they do recording also but I usually track at their jamming rooms) . the rest of the exceptions like Duxton Plains was they recorded live at TNT studios then engaged me to mix/master , as well as a few other bands like Ingride/Stellarium who preferred to record DIY due to budget constraints then get me to mix/master will get very different results. so adapting to other studio's templates/tracks is another fun challenge for me as well. eventually I'd probably get permit from one of the bands I record and post up for guys new to mixing to experiment with.
 
Ohhh.. now that you've mentioned it, the tracks from Duxton Plains and the rest do sound different (from the source). I'd look forward to practice mixing with pre-recorded tracks from your bands dude. It'd be a hell of a help to noobs like me. :D
 
actually all of the tracks would sound different because they were all tracked at different jamming studios over the years,with different amps,different instruments and different band preferences.

I was looking around and found this to share. it's the raw to mixed drums+triggers difference and eventually mixing it to put its place together with the rest of the instruments/vocals. The band is Ingride the first song that loads on their myspace Trance This Spirit. they recorded drums with FAD Media then DIY record guitars/bass DI on their M-Audio FastTrack Pro and rented the ever popular Audio Technica AT2020 off me to record vocals. the recording engineer did not use the same mike up position nor same tuning for the rest of the songs so it may vary as you listen to their whole album.
 
Nice Nice.

When you mentioned triggers, you're using software to replace the beats with Midi or drum samples? How does the trigger work in essence? Will it be able to 'cover' up the original drum sounds?? My only concern is that the triggered layer would sound a bit like drum machines.

This drum recording topic possibly could end up in the mixing tutorial sessions. :)
 
I just check blueprintstudios mp3. The raw portion also sound like what I have in a sampler when they are raw like sashimi. :p
 
If you wanna find out more about drum triggering you can soft-google search "drum triggers" or "drum triggering".it's another big topic I'd rather not re type what's out there haha. Indeed if you mix poorly or use poor samples it'll sound like a drum machine but if you use decent samples you'd rather use fake samples than make do with crap poorly tuned/miked drums as a presentation to consumers as they can be sooooo merciless with their impatience with lofi recordings..
 
Kongwee : I'm assuming you don't get exposed to alot of real drum multitrack recording,although that theory is right and possible (but not ideal) for singleshot drum sample as when you pitch up or down,the attack of the drumshell will get pitched up to chipmunk or Godzilla drums.
So what happens is in the multitrack environment, the toms.wav contains the bleed of the cymbals and other drum components by digitally pitching up/down you're just going to distort the tone of it plus the mic bleed content, that's why it would be more feasible to resort to drumtriggers.
 
blueprintstudios said:
Kongwee : I'm assuming you don't get exposed to alot of real drum multitrack recording,although that theory is right and possible (but not ideal) for singleshot drum sample as when you pitch up or down,the attack of the drumshell will get pitched up to chipmunk or Godzilla drums.
So what happens is in the multitrack environment, the toms.wav contains the bleed of the cymbals and other drum components by digitally pitching up/down you're just going to distort the tone of it plus the mic bleed content, that's why it would be more feasible to resort to drumtriggers.
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Well, when there is a problem, automatically you will try to solve it, bleeding is common in recording live. You can try gate it. Cos whenever you do something, there is a loss of quality and you have to weight is better to do this or that. Some advance sampler can make you drum track into sampler form automatically and remove the unnecessary sound and get a "purer" individual kit sound.
 
I understand the gating method but then it depends on the 2 factors whether the drum mic you're using has natural "gating" elements like pick up more Tom lesser surrounding cymbals.the other factor would be the song itself if there's alot of one hand crashing and the other hand doing a Tom roll or variation or the hihat is those ultra noisy ones or playing a punk genre 16beat, you're just gonna "pump" the cymbals tone if you try to manipulate a bleedy track like that.
I'm not sure what advance sampler you're talking about but one of the typical methods used should drum replacement sound unnatural with another sample would be to record your very own multisample on the drumset you're recording then trigger it to get the same "pure" effect you're talking about
 
Blueprint: Bro do you use BFD for the above mentioned technique? If not, which drum replacement do you think is the better of the lot? thanks.
 
Err nope I don't have bfd but my friends has it though cos it's easier to program drums than to engage a sessionist as they're composers. There's a wide variety out there with loads of drum vstis.i feel it becomes a samples game and zero technique on the mik/xing to achieve a good drumsound so originally a purist anti-trigger myself but jumped on the bandwagon when I realized it's what the band wants that counts.and they usually prefer the polished sound.of course when they say they hate triggers and love the natural miking, I'm more than happy and ready to deliver.
 
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