Pedals' tone prob, plus 2 guitars?

[Newbie]

Nope its not the technique pedal tone. Its my pedals.


I tried jamming today, with a marshall stack... It sounds awful.

Lespaul -> DS-1 -> SD-1 -> AW-7(auto wah) -> Marshall Amp.

My rythm is using a strat, and marshall's OD.

I tried to like "blend and cut thru" but it sounds very yucky...

when i hear other bands play their sound very smooth like during rythm and stuffs... is it a disadvantage to have 2 guitarist as well? =/

I want like a modern rock sounding thing, or classic rock, preferably near or somewhere "slash" like powerchord. smooth and warm?


i set my DS-1's setting to... Volume at 1 o clock. tone at 12, and drive at 1 o clock as well... No good?


additionally i use the sd-1 as a booster. it only makes my guitar sound more fuzzy. can guide me to use sd-1 as a booster? anyone using same set up as well?

thanks in advance! (sry for the lengthy-ness) heh

 

[jeremyrozario]

to use the sd1 as a booster without it fuzzying up, turn the drive knob all the way down, anyway if you want a slash kinda sound, a stock ds1 is the wrong pedal to use

 

[Newbie]

what u recommend?

 

[ShredCow]

Okay, for your DS-1, realise that a stock MIT DS-1 starts to sound fuzzy from 11 oclock (my ears). So your setting at 12 is already thin sounding. I guess it would give you a nice dry kind of jeng jeng distorted rhythm tone but for lead, it would be wayyyy too thin.

And as per on MSN, your SD-1 goes as follows:
vol max, tone 10 to 1 o clock depending on song's solos' sounding thingy. and drive, sometimes 9 o clock, sometimes 10

In my experience, SD-1s don't thicken tone up much... its a good booster but it don't thicken, where on the other hand, a DS-1 (tone at 9 kind of thing) will thicken things up nicely.

So you run your guitar (LP with thick tone, I presume) to a DS-1 with thin setting... thin signal goes into sd-1 for solo boost.. which doesn't thicken at all! So thats why your tone is thin.

Try this... since you rely on your DS-1 for main distortion
Guitar to SD-1 to DS-1 to amp

You want fat right? I suggest these settings
Set your SD-1 for boost as above, but try to have your tone ard 11 oclock
DS-1 set to tone 9 - 10 oclock, distortion at say... 1 oclock, level just slightly above unity gain of amp's clean channel.

You should get a nice thick tone with boost pedals on... but don't expect it to cut much because the SD-1 only effectively adds an extra gain stage, it doesn't boost volume or change the tone radically...

Get an EQ pedal/MXR Microamp to place after the DS-1 like this:
guitar to sd-1 to ds-1 to EQ/Microamp to clean amp
if you want a volume boost...

 

[sanXp]

Sorry to burst your bubble bro, but the SD-1 is quite a bad solo booster. I just got one and it just can't do solo boost, it will make my tone sound like some country player, or whatever. Just doesn't sound right. Follow what shredcow recommends. I use a FX-100 for solo boost, it works great at home and at jamming, but you may/should try others (because the FX-100 sucks at everything else)

 

[Newbie]

FX-100 ? What brand is that under?

 

[ShredCow]

DOD

Hmmm.... Newbie, I suggest you spend some time working with your current configuration first... take your time to explore the other pedals slowly, dón't rush into them, coz well, everyone else has better tone than everyone else out there.

 

[sanXp]

And nope it's not a disadvantage to have 2 guitarists. Very importantly is that both guitarists must have their own tone, and not sound the same, so when both of you play together it will blend nicely. For example, in my band, my tone is more midrangey, but my other guitarist is more trebly, so when we come in together we blend very well. And very importantly 1 guitar must not overpower another. Bullshit about who is rythm and who is lead, if the lead is louder and the rythm can't be heard there's no point for him to be there. The lead doesn't really lead till solos or specific sections of a song, so the lead should have a solo boost pedal just for a boost in volume and midrange for just the specific sections. This way everything works out nicely.

You can hear for yourself on this recording the intro when I come in, how it blends. You might not like it tho, and if you don't you can safely ignore everything I just said This is also a very bad and good example of lead solo boosting, cos my friend doesn't have a solo boost pedal, so his solo is rather soft. Me wanking on the wah at the end is louder tho, cos I have a solo booster.

http://s10.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=11U8WUI1DAD0S1PN2XLZP4HI22

 

[penguin]

hi newbie...the Marshall amp is set as dirty as well?

hmm..i will set the autowah first in the line (Actually hv not tried this before)
followed by SD1 then ds1..but amp channel set to clean..

else...autowah->ds-1->dirty channel...

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[Newbie]

hmm sanxp u have a point there... im using a lespaul. i boost my mid and treble on my eq.

my rythm is using a strat. singlecoils still. i lower his treble and mid. increase his bass by a lil.. basically the opp of my settings. but he got his own nice OD distort from the amp...

my sound somehow dont blend with him.









penguin: no, im always on clean. i use distort only from ds-1.

 

[penguin]

bro u use a stack amp..the dist from the amp shld be gd enuf..

hmm thanks for clarifying, the rythm is another gitar player..
i thought it was you as well..

i dont seems to have this kinda problem as a matter of fact when i jam both me and the other guitarist do not need to boost to hear the lead part..
its just very clear..

maybe u need to balance the loudness between you and the other guitarist..

 

[thor666]

SD1 works well with the distortion from the marshall stack, not as good from a pedal distortion. perhaps that might be the reason why.

u might want to try turning it to Channel 2 on the marshall stack (usually the low gain overdrive) and tweaking it such that it just starts to break up (but stills sounds clean). Then your DS1/SD1 may sound better.

 

[spikes]

i'd recommand you'd use your strat, put bass to 8 mid to 9 and high to 3, use your 3rd pickup for leads as in the one nearest to the neck and 1st pick up for rythems...

 

[sanXp]

You shouldn't be adjusting the eq for your rythmist, he should have his own idea of tone. Maybe only fine adjustments, like my friend, sometimes his treble is too high and my ear hurts I ask him to turn it down a little.

And a strat is quite a trebly instrument, why do you cut his treble?

O yea, and my friend uses a strat with single coils too, nothing wrong with that what.

 

[Newbie]

Sanxp: Hmm sry phrased it wrongly. Yeah i told him to lower his treble not because hes cutting thru too much but its too "sharp" in a sense, same as your case, ear hurts or irritated.

I dont really change his tone, cause that is his settings. just lower his treble a little. i dunno abt mid, cause mid if im not wrong is to be able to cut thru in studios and hes using a strat already... so tot of lowering his mid a little will help? or is that wrong? :?: