kari_convention
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very nice kit u got there Frummer. hows the EC2 on the floor tom?
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kari_convention
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Frummer: would you mind stated the price of the 12, 13 and 16 of EC2 you bought?
danial
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hey gamtabak ranking takes in the EC2 heads , the clear one , i don't think they have coated ones ah
kari_conversation
the price list at the evan's site is almost the same as the price at stores
http://www.shopatron.com/index/421.0.16864.16865.16914.0.0
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the price list at the evan's site is almost the same as the price at stores
http://www.shopatron.com/index/421.0.16864.16865.16914.0.0
smildrumez
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8O WAA.......NICE SNARE SIA FRUMMER!!
kari_convention
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man... thats cheap. if we convert into Ringgit, it would be ranging from 45-50 only!
I bought my 12" EC2 at JS Music here at about RM56.
Still the same kit as previously (http://soft.com.sg/web/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=286429#286429) but some updated pics taken when I had most of the other stuff in the room moved out.
Anyway, I retuned my drums after realising that the ebony pinstripe skins I have on actually have their sweet spot at lower tunings. My bass drum and toms (batter side) are barely above crackle tension and they now sound great! Very metal!
Anyway, I retuned my drums after realising that the ebony pinstripe skins I have on actually have their sweet spot at lower tunings. My bass drum and toms (batter side) are barely above crackle tension and they now sound great! Very metal!
RudimentalDrummer
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Bro Denosha - nice kit !....and yes Remo PinStripe have to be tune loose/low - for both Top Batter & bottom Resonants. The best sounding I experimented was to tune both Top & Bottom Equal...try it.....
kari_convention
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nice kit Denoshua. I played a rockstar kit before and it was awesome. Too bad they have discontinued it.
smildrumez
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played with it once....and loving it.........TAMA....
too bad i don't have one
anyone has a starclassic??
too bad i don't have one
anyone has a starclassic??
myner, not 100% birch, but if not mistaken, it is made of birch with outer and inner ply bass wood, tam said is for more finishing choise because of the even gain on bass wood. but any way, birch is sure better than mahagony at certain level lah, but somebody will still like mahagony, just like stage custom, made of mahagony, but the feel is different from tama rock star, what i feel is better
weckl-x
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tc_zen, I think it's better to mention that in the Stage Custom, like most entry-level kits, it is it's Philippine Mahogany, which is not Mahogany at all. Just in case people thinking that the Stage Custom uses wood that is similar to the Pearl MHX.
"LET'S CLEAR THE CONFUSION
There seems to be confusion, however, about mahogany, especially regarding price. Browsing our and other manufacturer's catalogs, reveals that almost all beginner and mid-range sets are made with mahogany. MHX's, on the other hand, are priced like professional maple sets. If they're all made from mahogany, why are the prices so different?
To answer this, you have to understand that there's mahogany and then there's MAHOGANY! Beginner and mid-range sets are made with Philippine mahogany. Philippine mahogany is an abundant and therefore relatively inexpensive wood. On the other hand, the Masters Mahogany Classics are made with African Mahogany. This is the real deal, the big Kahuna, the cat's meow. There are only three true mahoganies in the world and African mahogany is one of them. African mahogany doesn't come cheap thus explaining the price differences."
http://www.pearldrum.com/faqcp.asp
Lauan, Luaan or Luan:
By any spelling is a less expensive alternative to woods like basswood and “true” mahogany. To my ear it does not sound like true mahogany, but more like that of birch. This is a inexpensive filler type wood. It is in fact a species of endangered wood called “ramin” and or “meranti”. Actually, several other woods fall into this category too and are often referred to as "lauan" by various spellings.
Lauan is “a coarse textured stringy wood with a wavy interlocked grain pattern, it has a pale creamy-red colour. Light but strong and durable it accepts stain and varnish well and can be polished to a high finish but remains somewhat porous.
Red Lauan (Shorea negrosensis) is the mother tree of true Meranti. Natural inhabitants of the Philippines, Malaysia and Indonesia, they are large trees; 61.5m (200 ft) in height with a trunk of up to 2m (6ft 6in) in diameter.
Asian 'Mahogany' is often sourced from the endangered Dipterocarp forests of Indonesia, Malaysia and the Philippines. Dependant on the source tree the timber types are often known as Meranti, Lauan and Keruing. Hence the name Philippine mahogany.
Mahogany:
True mahogany from USA or Honduras will have about a 20% increase in low frequency resonance over the maple drum, mid and high frequencies will be the same from a reproduction point of view, but because the Mahogany has the 20% low end increase, the perceived tone is warmer.
Certain deep red timbers from South East Asia are sold as a 'Mahogany', or 'Mahogany Finish' although they are not true Mahogany from USA or Honduras.
It’s most likely called mahogany due either its common appearance (dark red) or due to the nature of the forestation being depleted and the stigma attached to it. Asian 'Philippine Mahogany' is often sourced from the endangered Dipterocarp forests of Indonesia, Malaysia and the Philippines. Dependant on the source tree the timber types are often known as Meranti, Lauan and Keruing. Hence the name Philippine mahogany.
The species known as Khaya Nyasica or African mahogany are more plentiful yet still endangered and therefore, not plentiful at this time.
http://home.earthlink.net/~prof.sound/id14.html
"LET'S CLEAR THE CONFUSION
There seems to be confusion, however, about mahogany, especially regarding price. Browsing our and other manufacturer's catalogs, reveals that almost all beginner and mid-range sets are made with mahogany. MHX's, on the other hand, are priced like professional maple sets. If they're all made from mahogany, why are the prices so different?
To answer this, you have to understand that there's mahogany and then there's MAHOGANY! Beginner and mid-range sets are made with Philippine mahogany. Philippine mahogany is an abundant and therefore relatively inexpensive wood. On the other hand, the Masters Mahogany Classics are made with African Mahogany. This is the real deal, the big Kahuna, the cat's meow. There are only three true mahoganies in the world and African mahogany is one of them. African mahogany doesn't come cheap thus explaining the price differences."
http://www.pearldrum.com/faqcp.asp
Lauan, Luaan or Luan:
By any spelling is a less expensive alternative to woods like basswood and “true” mahogany. To my ear it does not sound like true mahogany, but more like that of birch. This is a inexpensive filler type wood. It is in fact a species of endangered wood called “ramin” and or “meranti”. Actually, several other woods fall into this category too and are often referred to as "lauan" by various spellings.
Lauan is “a coarse textured stringy wood with a wavy interlocked grain pattern, it has a pale creamy-red colour. Light but strong and durable it accepts stain and varnish well and can be polished to a high finish but remains somewhat porous.
Red Lauan (Shorea negrosensis) is the mother tree of true Meranti. Natural inhabitants of the Philippines, Malaysia and Indonesia, they are large trees; 61.5m (200 ft) in height with a trunk of up to 2m (6ft 6in) in diameter.
Asian 'Mahogany' is often sourced from the endangered Dipterocarp forests of Indonesia, Malaysia and the Philippines. Dependant on the source tree the timber types are often known as Meranti, Lauan and Keruing. Hence the name Philippine mahogany.
Mahogany:
True mahogany from USA or Honduras will have about a 20% increase in low frequency resonance over the maple drum, mid and high frequencies will be the same from a reproduction point of view, but because the Mahogany has the 20% low end increase, the perceived tone is warmer.
Certain deep red timbers from South East Asia are sold as a 'Mahogany', or 'Mahogany Finish' although they are not true Mahogany from USA or Honduras.
It’s most likely called mahogany due either its common appearance (dark red) or due to the nature of the forestation being depleted and the stigma attached to it. Asian 'Philippine Mahogany' is often sourced from the endangered Dipterocarp forests of Indonesia, Malaysia and the Philippines. Dependant on the source tree the timber types are often known as Meranti, Lauan and Keruing. Hence the name Philippine mahogany.
The species known as Khaya Nyasica or African mahogany are more plentiful yet still endangered and therefore, not plentiful at this time.
http://home.earthlink.net/~prof.sound/id14.html
Thanx man! Will try out your advice soon.
But if my resonant heads are still the stock ones that came with my drums (that's like almost 8 years ago), do I still need to do that?Thanks bro! Yeah, I was quite sad then they stopped the line. Now if I need extra bits of the rockstar kit I'm probably going to have a hard time finding 'em.
RudimentalDrummer
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Denosha
Using original StockHead (top & bottom) - sound Crappy.
Changing the Batter - Makes Drum sound good
Changing both Batter & Resonant - Makes the drum sound at it's best (and rightfully all Batters & Resonants should both be changed instead of just the Batter) - I did change all my kits Batters & Reso.
PS:- But...most importantly the Bearing Edge of the Shells must be in perfect condition - as this have a great impact on the sound of the drums even changing all Batters & Reso will not helps if bearing edge is damaged.(even a slight chip)
Using original StockHead (top & bottom) - sound Crappy.
Changing the Batter - Makes Drum sound good
Changing both Batter & Resonant - Makes the drum sound at it's best (and rightfully all Batters & Resonants should both be changed instead of just the Batter) - I did change all my kits Batters & Reso.
PS:- But...most importantly the Bearing Edge of the Shells must be in perfect condition - as this have a great impact on the sound of the drums even changing all Batters & Reso will not helps if bearing edge is damaged.(even a slight chip)
RudimentalDrummer
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Wah Bro Weckl very informative info given har. :lol: :lol: :lol:
What I know is say Mahagony....Mahagony are Mahagony ... but the "HARDNESS" of this Mahagony are very different from different countries - "African Mahagony" being the best because of it's Hardness. This hardness are given RATINGS by the experts. The same thus goes with "Maple" too.
Honestly we are all layman (not an expert here). If we buy a Kit from a Manufacturer through it's Distributor in a given country...I bet if we ask the sales manager "What kind of Mahagony is this drum made of, it's hardness rating, which year"...the manager will not know these details too......
What is the main difference between a Pearl MMX (made of Maple) and the NEW Pearl Session (which is also made of Maple)....in the Price? So why the great disparity in price - Is it really the Wood or Is it the Hardware eg Optimount & such?...or as pearl claims - "Aged Maple Wood MMX is using like the old Master or MLX"????????
NOTE: I do not really knows the answer to the above for drums..but for Guitar...Yes wood plays an important role - that's why my boss went all the way to Boston to get a 195# something Gibson Guitar, value it in the US and fly home......He told me There are serial numbers for Guitars...the Serial number tells which year the Maple Wood are harvested and where - - - - surprising it was proven that for Guitars - The Wood from a certain years are the Best sounding wood.....meaning if that Gibson guitar year was 1953 (the best wood) ...Other Gibson from say 1950 or 1940 (earlier ones) would not fetch a better price than the 1953 ones.....as for Drums - Do you think it really makes a world of differences in sound akin to Guitar - till todate - I don't think this is proven.....because a Drum is not like a Guitar.
DW "Timeless Timber" marketing point is this - Aged Wood/Older Wood sound better than Younger Wood - also means Drums makes form more Mature Trees are better than Younger Trees (but where to get so many few hundred years old tree - maybe the Trees in the Philippines are younger and climate too there makes the Mahagony not as good as that of the African ones - - - I don't know lah"....#@%!&^* "If only the girls believe this shit - I'll have plenty of chicks now man"..Whahahahaha :lol: 46 years old man better than 17 years old boy?
Changing Batter & Reso, good Bearing Edge, good tuning, with good micking/soundman - can make most drums sound superb....and this is true...even a Yamaha Rydeen.
PCK say "Don't pray pray hor - I also know little little bit one leh"..Kekekeke :lol:
What I know is say Mahagony....Mahagony are Mahagony ... but the "HARDNESS" of this Mahagony are very different from different countries - "African Mahagony" being the best because of it's Hardness. This hardness are given RATINGS by the experts. The same thus goes with "Maple" too.
Honestly we are all layman (not an expert here). If we buy a Kit from a Manufacturer through it's Distributor in a given country...I bet if we ask the sales manager "What kind of Mahagony is this drum made of, it's hardness rating, which year"...the manager will not know these details too......
What is the main difference between a Pearl MMX (made of Maple) and the NEW Pearl Session (which is also made of Maple)....in the Price? So why the great disparity in price - Is it really the Wood or Is it the Hardware eg Optimount & such?...or as pearl claims - "Aged Maple Wood MMX is using like the old Master or MLX"????????
NOTE: I do not really knows the answer to the above for drums..but for Guitar...Yes wood plays an important role - that's why my boss went all the way to Boston to get a 195# something Gibson Guitar, value it in the US and fly home......He told me There are serial numbers for Guitars...the Serial number tells which year the Maple Wood are harvested and where - - - - surprising it was proven that for Guitars - The Wood from a certain years are the Best sounding wood.....meaning if that Gibson guitar year was 1953 (the best wood) ...Other Gibson from say 1950 or 1940 (earlier ones) would not fetch a better price than the 1953 ones.....as for Drums - Do you think it really makes a world of differences in sound akin to Guitar - till todate - I don't think this is proven.....because a Drum is not like a Guitar.
DW "Timeless Timber" marketing point is this - Aged Wood/Older Wood sound better than Younger Wood - also means Drums makes form more Mature Trees are better than Younger Trees (but where to get so many few hundred years old tree - maybe the Trees in the Philippines are younger and climate too there makes the Mahagony not as good as that of the African ones - - - I don't know lah"....#@%!&^* "If only the girls believe this shit - I'll have plenty of chicks now man"..Whahahahaha :lol: 46 years old man better than 17 years old boy?
Changing Batter & Reso, good Bearing Edge, good tuning, with good micking/soundman - can make most drums sound superb....and this is true...even a Yamaha Rydeen.
PCK say "Don't pray pray hor - I also know little little bit one leh"..Kekekeke :lol:
