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so ,
care to enlighten me on what kinda speakers you listened to my track on??
if you feel that the high hats were too bright then perhaps you don´t listen to very much dance/electronic music.
on the otherhand, if you say there´s not enough bass could mean you listen to plenty of commercial house music
i´m pretty sure i am not talking to an acclaimed sound engineer with genelecs or quested monitors in his multi million-dollar studio here. (if i weren´t i would´ve shut up by now )
care to enlighten me on what kinda speakers you listened to my track on??
if you feel that the high hats were too bright then perhaps you don´t listen to very much dance/electronic music.
on the otherhand, if you say there´s not enough bass could mean you listen to plenty of commercial house music
i´m pretty sure i am not talking to an acclaimed sound engineer with genelecs or quested monitors in his multi million-dollar studio here. (if i weren´t i would´ve shut up by now )
I think the reverb is coming from the sound itself. Though you did not add any effects, the Program sound itself is already with some kind of effects.
There is some ad-lib going on in the background played by some strings, might want to clean up the playing there to make it more outstanding? Maybe could ask a guitarist to do that part to break the syn sound for a while.
Overall, good effort.
I am listening through a AKG K240M.
There is some ad-lib going on in the background played by some strings, might want to clean up the playing there to make it more outstanding? Maybe could ask a guitarist to do that part to break the syn sound for a while.
Overall, good effort.
I am listening through a AKG K240M.
yup the synth was a bit muddy but hey it sounded cool to me ; been playing around with too much dry stuff lately i needed a change
akg monitors... that´s new to me - heard all about their mics but never their monitors
was comparing my mix with stuff from BT , propellerheads and others - i find the mids don´t quite match up but the other levels are about there, perhaps the treble IS a bit louder but the mids are definitely not enough when the mix is played soft.... just my thoughts out loud...
is IS interesting ,however, to hear the differen´t kinds of feedback you get when you post a track up - you can almost instantly gauge a person´s character (or soundsystem he´s using) just by reading his reply
akg monitors... that´s new to me - heard all about their mics but never their monitors
was comparing my mix with stuff from BT , propellerheads and others - i find the mids don´t quite match up but the other levels are about there, perhaps the treble IS a bit louder but the mids are definitely not enough when the mix is played soft.... just my thoughts out loud...
is IS interesting ,however, to hear the differen´t kinds of feedback you get when you post a track up - you can almost instantly gauge a person´s character (or soundsystem he´s using) just by reading his reply
Maybe you would like to tell us a little about the setup you used to produce this music? It would be fun to share some pointers here and there.
One problem I find when doing everything on just one syn is that it is kinda difficult to mixdown properly. The Master effects is kinda shared between tracks. It would be totally different if you can lay the individual instruments on a multi-track recorder and then do the mixdown. This way, you can control the balance/tone of the sound better.
I know this is a luxury but once you have tried it, it will open a new perspective to music making.
One problem I find when doing everything on just one syn is that it is kinda difficult to mixdown properly. The Master effects is kinda shared between tracks. It would be totally different if you can lay the individual instruments on a multi-track recorder and then do the mixdown. This way, you can control the balance/tone of the sound better.
I know this is a luxury but once you have tried it, it will open a new perspective to music making.
Cheez
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On 2003-11-02 02:12, stalefish wrote:
so ,
care to enlighten me on what kinda speakers you listened to my track on??
if you feel that the high hats were too bright then perhaps you don´t listen to very much dance/electronic music.
on the otherhand, if you say there´s not enough bass could mean you listen to plenty of commercial house music
i´m pretty sure i am not talking to an acclaimed sound engineer with genelecs or quested monitors in his multi million-dollar studio here. (if i weren´t i would´ve shut up by now )
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Hi. I cannot comment on the music since I don´t listen to electronic genres, but I´m sure it is pretty good
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Just one thing though. If you post your music on a forum, be prepared to receive comments, be it positive or negative. That´s how we improve on our writing. My two cents. Keep on writing!
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On 2003-11-02 02:12, stalefish wrote:
so ,
care to enlighten me on what kinda speakers you listened to my track on??
if you feel that the high hats were too bright then perhaps you don´t listen to very much dance/electronic music.
on the otherhand, if you say there´s not enough bass could mean you listen to plenty of commercial house music
i´m pretty sure i am not talking to an acclaimed sound engineer with genelecs or quested monitors in his multi million-dollar studio here. (if i weren´t i would´ve shut up by now )
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Hi. I cannot comment on the music since I don´t listen to electronic genres, but I´m sure it is pretty good
Just one thing though. If you post your music on a forum, be prepared to receive comments, be it positive or negative. That´s how we improve on our writing. My two cents. Keep on writing!
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- did not use any reverb
Then the inherent reverb in some of the sounds sounded out of place.
- thought the bass was too loud
Well I couldn´t hear it clearly because the low end was so messy. There was a distorted guitar like sound fighting for sonic space with the bass and the kick.
- thought the high hats were too soft
Definitely not too soft. I did not elaborate the other day. The reason why it sounds lound is probably
1) too repetitive. You keep it going for almost the whole song. And perhaps that why it stuck out
2) dance/electronic music tends to use hats that are high pitched. So it cuts thru the mix and sound loud even though it isn´t. You hats sound more like rock hats.
i only used a ´stutter´ once in the whole mix
Okay then the lead sound but it´s still annoying and still sounds similar the stutter effects
- i´m curious - what speakers are you using? creative?
I´m on Altec Lansing 621 for my office speaker where I downloaded your track. It definitely produces enough bass.
Try this track by a local trance producer,XTAC for comparison. He has limited equipment (mainly Fruity Loops) but I though he has better arrangement and selection of sounds:
http://www.deadmurder.com/board/two-song.php?id=2211
Then the inherent reverb in some of the sounds sounded out of place.
- thought the bass was too loud
Well I couldn´t hear it clearly because the low end was so messy. There was a distorted guitar like sound fighting for sonic space with the bass and the kick.
- thought the high hats were too soft
Definitely not too soft. I did not elaborate the other day. The reason why it sounds lound is probably
1) too repetitive. You keep it going for almost the whole song. And perhaps that why it stuck out
2) dance/electronic music tends to use hats that are high pitched. So it cuts thru the mix and sound loud even though it isn´t. You hats sound more like rock hats.
i only used a ´stutter´ once in the whole mix
Okay then the lead sound but it´s still annoying and still sounds similar the stutter effects
- i´m curious - what speakers are you using? creative?
I´m on Altec Lansing 621 for my office speaker where I downloaded your track. It definitely produces enough bass.
Try this track by a local trance producer,XTAC for comparison. He has limited equipment (mainly Fruity Loops) but I though he has better arrangement and selection of sounds:
http://www.deadmurder.com/board/two-song.php?id=2211
thanks for the link !
so, you´re the trance type - it´s no wonder you like clean sounds
and yeah the lead is supposed to stick out , but a pity you didn´t enjoy it ( btw my altec lensing speakers reproduce the sound quite nicely - perhaps you EQed yours? )
thanks for the ´timing´ problem - don´t see what exactly is wrong but thanks anyway
so, you´re the trance type - it´s no wonder you like clean sounds
and yeah the lead is supposed to stick out , but a pity you didn´t enjoy it ( btw my altec lensing speakers reproduce the sound quite nicely - perhaps you EQed yours? )
thanks for the ´timing´ problem - don´t see what exactly is wrong but thanks anyway
( after listening to the trance track)
arr... i get where you´re coming from !
you definitely cannot compare my track (kick drum especially) to a trance track simply because of the way both are mixed.... this one seems to be leveled out just like a commercial house cd (heehee i was right) whereby the bass is almost all you hear.
i never said my track was a trance track now did i?
i was going for more of an industrial/electronica and have many other influences (one of them rock as you might have guessed) hence there is an infusion of styles inextricably heard in this little demo i did.
i do admit i am not yet a master in mixing area (the muddy bass overlapping frequencies would show that) but from where i´m seated, sounds pretty ok to me cuz again, i´m not gunning for that trance sound.
as for the fella having a good arrangent and assortment of sounds , well, what can i say? trance arrangements are, well, trance arrangements (they are almost all the same ) and his sounds are really not all that hard to reproduce ... so are mine
arr... i get where you´re coming from !
you definitely cannot compare my track (kick drum especially) to a trance track simply because of the way both are mixed.... this one seems to be leveled out just like a commercial house cd (heehee i was right) whereby the bass is almost all you hear.
i never said my track was a trance track now did i?
i was going for more of an industrial/electronica and have many other influences (one of them rock as you might have guessed) hence there is an infusion of styles inextricably heard in this little demo i did.
i do admit i am not yet a master in mixing area (the muddy bass overlapping frequencies would show that) but from where i´m seated, sounds pretty ok to me cuz again, i´m not gunning for that trance sound.
as for the fella having a good arrangent and assortment of sounds , well, what can i say? trance arrangements are, well, trance arrangements (they are almost all the same ) and his sounds are really not all that hard to reproduce ... so are mine
1) Too much reverb.
I can vouch for that. There´s a blanket reverb which can be clearly heard during the initial intro.
2) Bass too soft.
Well i´m using my AKG 271 studios. *wink* It has a much higher end detail than those 240s. Though i find it does do so at the expense of the bass. I did try them both out for a day or two. So I can get the bass. The reverbs should be more pronounced than on 240s. I also tracked thru my m1 actives and my sony mdrs. The bass seemed a bit covered up.
3) Hi hats too loud.
It´s just not mixed in well with the rest of the track.
4) Stuttering speech effect went out of fashion in the 80´s (after Paul Hardcastle´s ´19´) and I pray to GOD that it will never come back in fashion.
5) Repetitive stutter effect to the point of being irritating
Yep kind of grated after a while.
The xtac tracks aren´t my cup of tea, but they´re on the whole nicely arranged and sonically correct.
BTW AKG 240s are considered, at least the high impedance cans, to be one of the standard cans for monitoring. I can vouch for their comfortability. I spent 8 hours non stop listening to one. Very nice.
I can vouch for that. There´s a blanket reverb which can be clearly heard during the initial intro.
2) Bass too soft.
Well i´m using my AKG 271 studios. *wink* It has a much higher end detail than those 240s. Though i find it does do so at the expense of the bass. I did try them both out for a day or two. So I can get the bass. The reverbs should be more pronounced than on 240s. I also tracked thru my m1 actives and my sony mdrs. The bass seemed a bit covered up.
3) Hi hats too loud.
It´s just not mixed in well with the rest of the track.
4) Stuttering speech effect went out of fashion in the 80´s (after Paul Hardcastle´s ´19´) and I pray to GOD that it will never come back in fashion.
5) Repetitive stutter effect to the point of being irritating
Yep kind of grated after a while.
The xtac tracks aren´t my cup of tea, but they´re on the whole nicely arranged and sonically correct.
BTW AKG 240s are considered, at least the high impedance cans, to be one of the standard cans for monitoring. I can vouch for their comfortability. I spent 8 hours non stop listening to one. Very nice.
