Need Help with my Ibanez RG1570!

[borders]

Hello!
I just bought my Ibanez RG1570 from Swee Lee last Saturday and it has been giving me problems since then.

The sound, the feel and the look of it is very nice, too nice to make me forget about JEM JR and JEM555. But, the tuning is getting really annoying. Every 30 mins or so, i have to retune my guitar until those screws at the bridge cannot be turn anymore and even then the strings is still not in tune.

I wonder if the brand of the string matters? I use ernie ball strings.

Anyway, i read from some guitar magazine that the bridge is supposed to be leveled with the body when u finished stringing the guitar. But then when i string finish and i use my whammy bar, the bridge sinks forward, with its butt sticking up and it remains like that even though i didnt press down on the whammy bar. Is it suppose to be like that?

 

[deathism]

nope..its not supposed to be like that..show some pics..

 

[strinq]

hi,
i think u have a normal problem with standard floating trems.
It takes a longer time to tune a floyd trem if u put in new strings compared to fixed bridges.
U have to be patient and in time u will be able to do it quickly.
What i normally do is replace the low E first and tune it higher than its suppose to be and go from there. (one string at a time, this is very important for floyd's, helps u to tune faster) AND if the bridge seem to rise way too high u gotta loosen the strings and try again.

The bridge sinking forward might be due to:

1) ur tuning technique is wrong (loosen all the strings and try again)
- i had this prob too when i first got my rg1550, so i totally understand ur dilemma
2) the new strings are of thicker gauge than the old one
3) u need to adjust the springs at the back of the body

Oh, the manual helps a lot. Read it carefully. Overall just be patient, if u never dealt with an ibanez floating trem before, it can be a real pain.

Or u can find info and these sites
www.ibanez.com/forum/

www.ibanezrules.com/

www.jemsite.com/forums/index.php

Hope this helps.

 

[RazrAsh]

looks like u need your guitar to have a setup done.

more info such as what gauge of strings u use and whether u have used a fr before would also help us diagnose your problem.

 

[PinkSpId3r]

tighten the springs screws at the back. do a half turn for both the screws attach to the spring. and tune it. keep repeating the steps till it is level and in tune.

tighten the screws(trem claw) with 1/2 a turn > tune > check > repeat the steps till the bridge is level with the body

you need to tune it because tightening or loosening the screws will cause the guitar to be out of tune.

do NOT release or tighten the screws to make the bridge level without tunning the guitar.

because without doing so, you will realise the bridge will not be parallel to the body due to string tension

i think your strings keep going out of tune is because they are new? or you nv tighten the locking nut.

 

[thor666]

http://www.soft.com.sg/web/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=5554

 

[borders]

yes its my first time using a floating bridge guitar. I normally use 0.09 gauge strings. I remember the salesman told me if i use anything thinner or thicker than 0.09, i have to re-setup the whole bridge.

anyway, the steps u guys gave are somehow complicated to me and makes the tuning even more jialat. Ever since i bought this guitar, i will turn those screws at the bridge(i think pinkspider just called it tremclaw) until I can't turn it anymore to tune. If its in tune i will just leave it. But if its not, i will loosen the screws to the maximum and then unlock the lock at the nut. Very troublesome.

and yes my strings are already 1 week old, i snapped the strings on the day i bought my guitar becoz i was turning the pegs at the headstock.

these are the pics.(i think they are bloody big mann)

 

[leecs]

Haha! What i would do is i'll put a block at the bottom of my guitar to block the bridge & tune from there. shouldnt b a prob. BTW, did you change string gauge? If yes, u gotta re-setup the guitar.

 

[RazrAsh]

the trem claw is inside the trem cavity. those at the bridge are called stud post.

u need to loosen your strings and tighten the trem claw inside the trem cavity until the bridge is level with the body.

or u can pm me and we can do a meet up where i teach u what u need to know.

 

[PinkSpId3r]

yeah man..trem claw are not the screws at the bridge.

http://www.ibanezrules.com/tech/setup/angle.htm

 

[borders]

oh man. thanks for the help guys.
i will loosen the strings and see what happens, i probably going to change strings tml. but if i still cannot, i'll probably meet u ash.

 

[RazrAsh]

sure!
pm me or something to work out the details yeah?

8)

 

[Marksman]

Man, thats one hell of an angle away from zero point.

Hmm... normally you use 9 gauge..... 9-42 right?

 

[JonEthan]

tighten the tremclaw screws. If it's already as far as it goes, get a shorter spring..

 

[PinkSpId3r]

actually you dont have to loosen the string. just tighthen the tremclaw - the 2 nails inside the trem cavity that holds the spring.

like i said..make a 1/2 turn > tune > check > repeat until satisfied. its very simple.

 

[borders]

hey.
everything is done. my bridge now is level liao. so damn happy

and i realise when my bridge is level, my tuning becomes more stable. no more tuning every 30 mins.

 

[strinq]

so how did u do it?

 

[borders]

i did what u guys told me lor. i went to website and check but then not very concise. then i just went n read the manual then realize what a trem claw is, then i just screw clockwise lor and followed what spider told me.

 

[PinkSpId3r]

Daniel aka Shredcow taught me how :lol:

glad that you solve it on your own. that feeling is shiok :twisted:

 

[embryo]

That's a common problem among new users of guitars equipped with a floating bridge. Most of the Ibanez and FR type equipped guitars are already calibrated to balance with the strings. It's up to the user to fine tune to your needs. Although for time efficiency I remove the entire set of old strings before placing the new ones I would recommend the uninitiated to replace strings by removing and replacing the high E 1st followed by the 2nd B string all the way to the Low E.

As a guide here's some additional useful tips;

1. Maintain string (most use 9s set) gauge and brand for consistent string against tremolo back springs tension balance.
2. Stretch the new strings evenly throughout from nut to bridge to prevent if not minimize further string stretching before locking down the nut and bridge.
3. Before locking down, redjust the fine tuners to mid way point (not too high not too low) at the floating FR type bridge to allow room for tuning compensation when the locks are in place.
4. When the bridge is at the "intended" zero position as in parallel to the body plane. Be very critical of your intonation check it by comparing your fretted against the harmonic on the 12th fret. Readjust the individual saddles forward or backward to sharpen or flatten. You will also want to check the fretted against the harmonic at the 19th fret for finer intonation accuracy. A strobe tuner would help here.

Depending on the string gauge and number of back springs players of floating bridge equipped guitars will also confront another issue concerning palm muting where the weight of the picking hand resting on the bridge will cause notes to sharpen simply because of the entire bridge being pressed down. This is really a tradeoff of the floating bridge design. You'll have to simply be more mindful of your palm muting technique. Steve Vai for awhile in the early 80's used a kind of of plastic riser plate to minimize this problem.

Hope this helps.