Need help with arrangement of pedals.

[PatheinRaindropMoe]

buffer dont reduce noise, its there just to ensure signal wont degrade as its being pass thru long length cables and effect.

if geetar signal is represented by value of 1, a buffer just make sure it stays close to it, before pushining into an effect or after an effect, so that there wont be a perceived signal loss which we can hear as tone suck/loss of hi frequency kinda.

True, but that never happens since there's a buffer in the noise gate pedal right?

 

[MadWerewolfBoy]

Ah, okay, had the misconception on tone degradation vs noise. The buffer prevents tone degradation, but a good set of cables prevents noise... Assuming there're good cables in the whole effects chain, the noise gate should be put right infront of the chain and/or the distrotion units?

 

[PatheinRaindropMoe]

actually imho, cable dont really cut down noise/hiss if in the first place the noise is unbearable to begin with. Whatever we have in the chain, all plays a part

and for noise reduction, perhaps we gotta decided on what sorta reduction are we looking at. Whether is it

1) noise reduction without any gain with just plain connection of geetar and effect(which are not turn on at all)


or

2) Noise reduction when we are in hi gain situation and not playing the geetar but yet hearing all the hiss/hum in the background.

or

3) when needing to record geetar signal

for 1), imho, theres something other factors which contribute to the noise/hiss that adding a noise supressor just a temporary measure to mask/hide the noise and not solving the problem of it.

for 2) heh, just put it after the distortion and let it hide the hiss/hum when not playing and lazy to use the vol knob on the instrument

for 3) cut down on physical effect if having a choice(use vst plug in instead), shielded instrument, decent cable(dont have to be expensive one...)

althou the above sounds rather irrelevant, hope theres some help, indirectly..

heh, it can be before, it can be after, but what and how do we want it to be, still depend on us eventually.

 

[cold_static544]

wah >distortion >overdrive >comp >flanger >noise reducer for me

compression so far back??

 

[MadWerewolfBoy]

If rolling off your guitar's volume would stop background noise when all ur gain pedals are turned on, then try putting the noise gate infront of ur gain pedals rather than after. Gain pedals by themselves are supposed to be real quite unless its some al cheapo diy with lousy components. Since they amplify signals, one of the thing to watch out for is to make sure there's zero signal going into them when u don't intend a signal to go into them, ie, noise gate before them.

I've yet to try a noise gate behind pedals cause it seems my pod x3 live doesn't allow me to move this generic noise gate to the end of the signal chain, but i would guess that it would not work as effectively because:

Noise gates will stop signals which are lower than a certain dB from going through. If a gain pedal has already amplified noise from guitar pickups, the dB of the amplified noise is comparable to the dB of the desired notes. As the gaps between notes and noise become smaller, the settings on the noise gate has to be more precise. Then again, typing all these is making me think that noise gates would work just as well behind gain pedals... haha :twisted:

 

[kym]

i gotta the lin6 delay and it kinda sounds noisy when i on it. like got some extra hum or wht to it. dun know whether it is just me or does any one else encounter this same prob?

 

[PatheinRaindropMoe]

heh, if really wanna try,

get a dedicated noise reduction device, any gain pedal, geetar and amp

plug everything in, with the noise reduction device put before and after the gain pedal and all pedals activated. Dont play the instrument, turn up the volume of the amp to band studio jamming level,

record down the hiss/noise with the noise reduction device, before and after situation.
oh, if amp got effect loop, put the noise reduction pedal in the loop also, turn up the amp to previous level and record all over again

After which, remove the pedals and instrument from amp input. With nothing plug in, turn up the amp to same level as earlier when the pedals/instrument are connected, record the noise/hiss level of the amp without instrument and pedals.

now we have 4 set of noise/hiss clips to compare with.

The above wont take the noise into consideration when instrument is being played and in a band setting thou.

 

[PatheinRaindropMoe]

i gotta the lin6 delay and it kinda sounds noisy when i on it. like got some extra hum or wht to it. dun know whether it is just me or does any one else encounter this same prob?

1) dl4 or echopark?

2) dedicated power supply for the delay or shared supply via dc chain?

3) try isolating the delay as the only pedal between the instrument and amp, activated and hear if its still noisy

4) Put back the delay together with the rest of the pedals(if any), try it with the delay having its own adaptor and also shared adaptor(if applicable), notice if theres any difference.

its serious hard to confirm any problem with the short description that you wrote, nonetheless, try 3) and 4) first and see how it is, if havent. If tried and still have the noise issue, heh, must wait for next better player to jump in liao..i give up

 

[kym]

1) dl4
2) shared supply
3) tried isolating delay. hum at times.

 

[PatheinRaindropMoe]

heh, the hum at times thingy is headache liao, coz it sounds like intemittant and intermittant problem can drive people crazy. I have a 6 years old dl4 with me and other than the footswitch that give problem, didnt really noticed any noise of hum issues.

if wanna, you can look for Randolf(embryo) in the forum here to check on the pedal

if not, you can try putting the dl 4 thru all sorta tests to determine the hum is from the pedal itself and not other factors. Kinda like change another guitar, another amp, another power supply, cables and try it over again to confirm. The best wud be able to pin point when the hum comes on..

at which setting on the pedal, which footswitch kinda. E.g If the hum occurred at a certain setting and when activated via the first footswitch, but not with the 2nd footswitch with the same setting, then this can tell us something.

Hehe, apologise for any confusion on above..

 

[kym]

actually the dl4 belongs to my friend's. i just borrowed it for 2 weeks. when i realised this prob, i thought i spoilt it. then when i brought back to his place and try it on his gears, just a while ago, it worked fine.

!!! can it be that my other gears gotta prob??? but i dun think so coz they r alright w/o the dl4, only with the d/4 then the hums become reallie significant.

anyway, wht is intermitent?

 

[PatheinRaindropMoe]

defintinition of intermittant in a lousy way, means "on off on off, sometime it occured, sometime its ok), for better definition according to dictionary, try googling(Google) for it, there be lotsa explanation, shud be able to find info(same goes to the thongs, g strings differences...)

imho, anyway since the dl4 is your frd one and you get the hum but friend doesnt and when you dont have the dl-4 in the chain, you dont get hum...whats next?

hehe, get another person dl4 and try, go thru all the "together/isolated" chain of effects with individual power supply/shared supply and try again.

haha, i have no ideas anymore, without you trying out with different unit of dl4, different setup, different supply, different amp and the exact moment of hum occuring and best, recording down the "hum" that you hear and post the clip. If wanna, i can go on trying to help, but that will only make it more confusing, doesnt solve the problem, going back to square 1...

just play the geetar and do some music instead

rock like what some bro bros will say... sooong soooong kao zuh-looooong!

 

[elektrig]

hey guys, sorry i dun really have anything to contribute inthis thread. but i hope you guys can help me clear my doubts xD

im recently planning to get an electric guitar but im rather confused with all these effects and pedals.

is it a must to purchase these effects even for a beginner? if yes, are there some basic pedals to buy cos they are almost widely used in many songs?... im asking bcos even my friend doesn't have one even though she plays the e-guitar. so im not sure if i want to buy them.

 

[astaroth]

its mroe of an issue of what tone u wan. maybe at this stage u wun be sure so there's really no rush to get one until u have heard everything.

 

[MadWerewolfBoy]

Hey, Kym... It might be your power supply... Is ur socket you are plugging your adaptor into sharing the same line/cable with any inverters, ie aircons fridges etc? I know some times household appliances cause hum in my sound, like when the fan is on or when the tv is on depending on which socket its connected to.

Aircons causes the most problems. One really really good example is L Cube studios... When I reach early to set up my stuff, I do a sound check and everything is fine. I was happy cept for the fact that it was hot.. So the guy came in to turn on the aircon... I was happy there was aircon, but then the hum just started kicking in like a jack ass... All was fine when the drummer started whalloping the drums though.. Haha! :twisted: