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Anatomyofadrumsolo, we don't have to think so far until our deathbed.

So far, whenever I have any illness, I went to see a doctor.

Let's not dwell too much on the effect of the article on musicians cos it can be easily translated to another profession and it will still be as great.

We can read the article as a form of inspiration and to keep us going on our musical path.

Music is like a sword, we need good swordsmen to use them. Not everyone who wears a sword is a swordsman.
 
growlingsoulpup, you are saying the same thing as Jerseystar. Please read his posts again.

No, actually I'm not, James. Jerseystar posits that the musicians were playing music to soothe their own fear of death. I'm saying that if the fear of death was the only thing on their mind at the exact moment of the sinking of the ship, they wouldn't be playing music at that point. A musician on a sinking ship who plays music for others is surrendering himself to something greater than himself, an artistic expression of altruism at the highest level. That's my point. Am I still saying the same thing, James?
 
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growlingsoulpup, thanks for the explanation.

We can go on and debate about those few musicians on Titanic when it was going down but we must realise it is a movie. Made by James Cameron, no less.

Just a point to ponder, when the musicians came back to play for the last time in Titanic, did the film show any appreciation from the people who were on the sinking ship?
 
i'd find a doctor. or help my loved ones and others. in the movie i'd rather be jack than the musicians playing on a sinking ship. as much as i love the art, surviving is important. and that doesnt only apply on a ship. music's no good to anyone when ure dead.
btw, film imitates life and most of the time put pretty little flowers on it.
 
growlingsoulpup, thanks for the explanation.

We can go on and debate about those few musicians on Titanic when it was going down but we must realise it is a movie. Made by James Cameron, no less.

Just a point to ponder, when the musicians came back to play for the last time in Titanic, did the film show any appreciation from the people who were on the sinking ship?

Thanks to naomi and James for the points raised about the film. However, I'm talking about the real life musicians who died on the Titanic, not the ones in the movie. Which is also why I'm not sure as to whether James Cameron showed any appreciation for the other people on the sinking ship, since I've only seen the film once.
 
If you ask me, if I knew I was on a sinking ship and was afraid for my life, i wouldn't pull out my violin. I'd fracking get off the damn ship.

You are saying the same thing as Jerseystar. Actually Jerseystar meant that to go with extreme sarcasm as a personal reply to Visa's attack on Jerseystar's character. I wasn't even serious about that so I put the smiley face there and since you didn't get it, no harm done.

It wasn't directed at you but on two occasions you jumped on the bandwagon and call me self-centred. My original posts I was just giving my views and without attacking anybody in particular here. You have every right to disagree with me as I disagree with Karl Paulnack but I do not include personal attacks unless somebody whacks me first. My first reply to you growlingsoulpup was completely sincere.

The truth is that that if Karl Paulnack and me met, we'd probably get along fine, maybe jam something at some pub just for the heck of it. I probably understand what he meant to do, inspire the next generation as he has so many people here already. Yes I agree music has its soothing effects and in fact there actually is a field in medicine called music therapy but that's more specifically to deal with children, patients with psychological conditions etc. However, I wouldn't go as far as saying that musicians are more important than what we truly are. Its like over glorifying something, like calling Tom Delonge as Sir Isaac Newton, regardless of how many Blink 182 fans were enlightened and had their lives improved/enhanced/moved to a higher state of enthropy etc.

And then I take exception of someone (not you) doing exactly the above and then pointing fingers at others saying ego boost...
 
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Jerseystar. You said that if there is one seat left on Noah's ark, you would choose a doctor than a musician. That analogy is very one-sided. In such a situation of course a Doctor is of much more importance than a musician.

Let me ask you and all who read this, this question.

Imagine you're on your deathbed. You have around 30min before you die.

Yes, you are feeling physical pain due to some illness you have. But let me ask you this, for the LAST 30min of your life, would you rather a doctor come and attend to you, or have a musician play your favourite songs?

Think about this.

Actually if I had the LAST 30min of my life, I'd spend it with Naomi Watts. :p

I'm curious if anybody would misunderstand this one.... hmmmmm..... For good measure... ;) ;) ;) Yehaw
 
Here's a shout out to Soft and THOA for the level headed replies, thanks. And to THOA don't fret Lasalle.

I think its probably not worth spending your money there. Too many people have complained but I'm sure you already knew that.
 
jus sharing how i view all this. jerseystar, i am sure u had ur fair share of experiences here in the music industry. and i cant deny the fact to ur experiences, and my respects to u. and to visa. the story u have shared is fantastic.

but how i see this. music, whether or not its just as hard as jerseystar has mentioned. or is it as beautifully portrayed as wat the author has written. what u get out of you musical life. is what u decide to do and believe in. YOU are the only person who can change those circumstances, or things that happens in ur life. be it musically or not. anybody's view on music is his choice and his belief system that he has adopted or accepted in his life.

if you believe that music, is hard and difficult to earn a living or even go to a prestigious music school and learn cuz we dun have the cash, that is what u decide to believe and see. you put ur body and mind in that motion and u achieve that. if you see the possibilities and work towards it, den u do the same to ur body and mind in that motion to achieve that cuz that is what you believe.

i know of pple who cant afford to go to a music school, but believed that they will and they can, who eventually did, and live well enuff there to continue their studies, and graduated. they did not live lavishly there, nor poorly, jus enuff to get by.

i also know of pple whose belief system that is totally opposite the one i have mentioned above. well they did not do very well.

so at the end of the day i jus think its how u decide to live and believe. the story visa shared was very inspiring, that story just showed us hopefully those full time musician, including myself, the beauty of music and why we loved it and continue doing it. but how we choose to see this is totally again, what we believe. :)

just my few cents worth of opinion. cheers!
 
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I think in the end, music speaks differently to different people of varying backgrounds, living environments, education, degrees of affluence and cultures.

Imagine your regular kopi auntie and likely she will hear 'Adagio For Strings' and say something like "Why so sad this song?" or "Wah, this song make me want to sleep lor. Mai lah, I don't want to listen!", right? :mrgreen:

But take the same person (the kopi auntie) and imagine her as an audience in a getai and listening to the late Chen Jinlang, singing her favorite songs from her adolescence and bring back memories of her loves and her experiences in her own life, maybe triggering a flood of emotions.

In short, the getai music, maybe kitsch to us younger folks, speaks to this kopi auntie in ways nobody can explain.

So, music is subjective (duh!).

I'd go further to say that I seriously think that there are people who don't even care for music.

After that, there are people who think that music is somewhat 'dispensable' or that anybody can create music, which is why people don't think twice about stealing music and downloading a musician's hard work for free whenever they can. Everyone of us is guilty of this, I believe, at some point of time.

Another thing is, I don't understand why some of us musicians look down on mainstream music.

The thing is, as long as the music presented and performed achieves the desired effect, whether positive or not, on the audience and the listener, then why is it bad?

The truth is many of us appreciate the simplicity of the things we want in life. Amidst the drudgery, the complexities of living as a human being, the responsibilities etc. - music represents an opportunity for us to escape, to dream, about anything. For some, it seems superficial, but for some, it is a real need.

You can't deny that you are likely to be drawn to a musician who looks good and is charismatic, while satisfying the basic requirement of playing his instrument with acceptable proficiency, because the human mind doesn't just work on one aspect alone but a multitude, to achieve any emotion. It all has to gel together seamlessly.

So, I think, at the end of the day - music has to be written with sincerity and not just with the sole objective of making money or become famous or renowned for excellent instrument proficiency.

Music and performing is after all about touching people.

And you can touch so many different kinds of people in so many different ways.

:D
 
You are saying the same thing as Jerseystar. Actually Jerseystar meant that to go with extreme sarcasm as a personal reply to Visa's attack on Jerseystar's character. I wasn't even serious about that so I put the smiley face there and since you didn't get it, no harm done.

It wasn't directed at you but on two occasions you jumped on the bandwagon and call me self-centred. My original posts I was just giving my views and without attacking anybody in particular here. You have every right to disagree with me as I disagree with Karl Paulnack but I do not include personal attacks unless somebody whacks me first. My first reply to you growlingsoulpup was completely sincere.

No, Jerseystar, actually I'm not saying the same thing as you. Please read my later posts before jumping to a conclusion.

And please, go back and read my posts again. At no point in time did I call you self-centered. What I specifically said was that the position you were endorsing was self-centered, as opposed to an altruistic perspective. Which makes the difference between a rhetorical attack and a personal attack. If you wish to interpret my words as a personal attack then I can only assume you must have identified with my words strongly.
 
You're a pretty cool guy, you're alright... Which is more than I can say 'bout that other guy...

But we all got one thing in common.

We spend too much time in here when we should be playing our guitars, drums, bass or Naomi Watts. Do it rather than talk about it... opps... sounds like a teacher... Here it goes again.;)
 
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