Muslim influence on music
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i have been advised by a few SOFTies to lock/delete this thread due to the sensitive nature of the topic but I feel if it the discussion will help us understand better, it will be worthwhile.
in short, if you are just posting for fun without the intent to help us gain further insight, i suggest that you refrain from posting. dont make a good discussion bad.
main point to note, we discuss, not to put anyone down or anything.
in short, if you are just posting for fun without the intent to help us gain further insight, i suggest that you refrain from posting. dont make a good discussion bad.
main point to note, we discuss, not to put anyone down or anything.
here's my $1.99 worth
if music is haram, all those religious bands in m'sia, middle east would already be a contradict on their ownselves.
what about those female singers?
this issue has been debated and the conclusion is that music is not haram unless you use music to spread evil among the rest.
the remaining ppl that still insist that music is haram are hardline religious people who take every word in the Quran too literally.
if music is haram, all those religious bands in m'sia, middle east would already be a contradict on their ownselves.
what about those female singers?
this issue has been debated and the conclusion is that music is not haram unless you use music to spread evil among the rest.
the remaining ppl that still insist that music is haram are hardline religious people who take every word in the Quran too literally.
gutturalpiss
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my dear brethren i have studied various religions/beliefs for more than 4 yrs & since im a muslim myself, i have gone through a phase of understanding n deciphering the Qur'an & Islam as much as possible. I have scrutinized the holy book in 5 languages n bought more of the same frm different countries to sum up the ultimate truth. I still have a very long way to go but at this point i can confidently say that i do know my religion, if not well, n tht i am closer to hell, along w/ most of u. It doesnt matter which Islamic Institute u attend, nothing is more supreme than seeking faith urself. Having some1 else force the faith into u is just like blind faith, u dont learn anything. For deciding what is Halal what is Haram, God & Muhammed SAW has provided me the Qur'an to decipher em myself.headwan said:
It seems that u didnt get my sentence processed well bcoz what i meant was this - if u really care abt things haram-halal, if u really r so piaous, u wouldnt b jamming and listening to Marduk or Necrophagist. The truth is, modern muslims dont know shit. Most dont evn know tht Islam means submission, n being a muslim is being a submitter. They think Allah is a separate entity from the Lord n God of other abrahamic religions, bt actually, it is the One & the same. Allah is arabic for God. Evn Hinduism & Buddhism have a belief in a Supreme Being besides their many deities. Music has been ard longer than the first egyptian. Since the beginning of mankind, the cromagnons had their own form of music. Music is a spiritual driver of the soul, it will always exist. There is also "bad" music, n tht is what u want to know. Bt for ppl devoting themselves to bad music, they wouldnt care 1 cent abt what is haram.
Listening & devoting urself to making music against God r 2 different things. Yes i have listened to black metal & the occult, bt i nvr dedicated myself to writing such music. Black Metal was, is, n will always remain true to its concept, being associated with idolizing the devil n defying God. Is this what u dont understand? Highly possible. There is no problem in listening, except that the muslim society is afraid tht the youth will b destroyed by such music. Thatz only bcoz most of em r highly prone to getting obsessed. The debates going on abt MUSIC being haram, is utter nonsense. I dont care which PhD Doctorate says so, itz just stupid. And about Muhammed Suiçmez, read some interviews on the band. Most of the time they question him abt being a Muslim & how it affects his music/life.
faizal_rocks
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Ok these are my thoughts..
Music is alrite to listen and play, so as long as u still remember to do ur duties as a Muslim like pray 5 times a day and staying away from evil deeds.
You can read this site below..
http://www.themodernreligion.com/misc/hh/music.html
Music is alrite to listen and play, so as long as u still remember to do ur duties as a Muslim like pray 5 times a day and staying away from evil deeds.
You can read this site below..
http://www.themodernreligion.com/misc/hh/music.html
i can only think of 2 things on top of my head why music is debated to be haram. 1) the spreading of evil Satanic msgs blahblah i.e black metal or 2) it intoxicates you i.e alcohol.
azly:rokok is also being debated whether it's haram or not. stop eh!
Gutty:wow kau dah alim eh.
azly:rokok is also being debated whether it's haram or not. stop eh!
Gutty:wow kau dah alim eh.
nice topic to discuss...okay...here's my point of view...to whut i feel, (though i'm not that religious) music is something that i do to entertain myself and pple.As long as i dont do anithing against my Islamic Law which is drinking alchohol,deliver words of the Devil,do indecent stuff when performing, tattos and piercings on myself and etc.etc i'll do juz fine..Whut i do with my band as we're all malays is that we have a short prayer to our GOD to help us feel better and guide us thru our performance and HE has done that not physically but mentally.I believe HE gives us brain to decide if its good or bad for us.
and btw,
Smoking is not HARAM...Its Makro( meaning its best not to do it, but if you're smoking try stoppin)..Smoking is only haram if like you're having major/minor disease and still smoking..
I'm a smoker myself..
This are only my point of view.. If i have hurt anibody by mentioning anything which is false Forgive me..
and btw,
Smoking is not HARAM...Its Makro( meaning its best not to do it, but if you're smoking try stoppin)..Smoking is only haram if like you're having major/minor disease and still smoking..
I'm a smoker myself..
This are only my point of view.. If i have hurt anibody by mentioning anything which is false Forgive me..
azlyjacaz said:
pleae understand before shoot.
music in islam is haram, written in some hadith.
only music that have any sounds by "nature" which means sounds by blowing or drumming is NOT haram.
Any music that have strings like guitar etc etc... is haram
if you notice those "NASHID" bands in Malaysia, their music only use nature sound, for e.g drumming of kompang and accapella.
strats said:
smoking is not HARAM. many people confused this. in islam SMOKING is not haram its "MAKHRUH"
aH btw, there's a reason for haram and halal things.
why alcohol haram?
- u can be drunk, and if you drunk, u may endanger yourself, do stupid thigns and forget your rpayers
why pig is haram?
- in koran, it says that pig has this worms/bacteria/dunnowhat shit but something harmfull (scientific proven in japan) where even you heat to 1000degrees also wont die.
isnt drummin or so called "sounds of nature" a form of music ??..I'm juz curious..you know how malaysia is strict on religion (where you can be jailed for not fasting,sexual thingy and many2 more..But y don't they ban Islamic person from selling guitars and other instrument??..I've seen some guitar shops around and the one selling them are mostly malays..y dun they get jailed ??..
all this questions are out of curiosity..4give me slapshock...
all this questions are out of curiosity..4give me slapshock...
well im not sure if it written in Koran or not, i will get back tot his later.azlyjacaz said:
malaysia strict in religion? LOL... give me a break. no country in this world is strict in religion. but country that i respect that which really really mirror an islamic image is BRUNEI DARUSSALAM. look how peace they were. at 7pm .. all shop closed. no night clubs bla bla bla.. malaysia strict? hahahahahahhahaha
Lemme just cut the task short for you.
There are absolutely NO prohibitions in the Quran that forbids music. The only prohibitions that came were from the Hadiths.
As you know Hadiths are man-made books, that exist about 200 yrs after the Prophet's death.
"Among the people, there are those who uphold baseless HADITH, and thus divert others from the path of God without knowledge, and take it in vain. These have incurred a shameful retribution." (Quran 31:6)
The number of hadiths collected and attributed to the prophet Muhammed is in the hundreds of thousands, as much as 700,000. As much as 99% of all these hundreds of thousands hadiths are pure lies and fabrications and were rejected by the early Muslim scholars who thought they can figure out which hadith is authentic and which is not.
Thus, my conclusion Music is NOT Haram. The "imams" are spoiling the market. I still wanna oogle at Siti Nurhaliza okay. I dont want my nice music to be replaced by drumming-genres.
There are absolutely NO prohibitions in the Quran that forbids music. The only prohibitions that came were from the Hadiths.
As you know Hadiths are man-made books, that exist about 200 yrs after the Prophet's death.
"Among the people, there are those who uphold baseless HADITH, and thus divert others from the path of God without knowledge, and take it in vain. These have incurred a shameful retribution." (Quran 31:6)
The number of hadiths collected and attributed to the prophet Muhammed is in the hundreds of thousands, as much as 700,000. As much as 99% of all these hundreds of thousands hadiths are pure lies and fabrications and were rejected by the early Muslim scholars who thought they can figure out which hadith is authentic and which is not.
Thus, my conclusion Music is NOT Haram. The "imams" are spoiling the market. I still wanna oogle at Siti Nurhaliza okay. I dont want my nice music to be replaced by drumming-genres.
faizal_rocks
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azlyjacaz said:
Bro, may I know where u got this translation from? I checked most Quran sites and most of them came up with this..
"But there are, among men, those who purchase idle tales, without knowledge (or meaning), to mislead (men) from the Path of Allah and throw ridicule (on the Path): for such there will be a humiliating Penalty." (Quran 31:6)
Most of the verses like the above did not mention the word HADITH...care to comment?
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