3notesAbar
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Thats cos they cannot grow Mahogany there from what i heard. I think in time to come Chinese products will match Korean standards. Whats your take Sub?
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Thats cos they cannot grow Mahogany there from what i heard. I think in time to come Chinese products will match Korean standards. Whats your take Sub?
thor666
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Praetorian said:
update: the new models on the Shine website look way better now. (check the teles.) i guess they wised up a bit.
http://www.saein.co.kr/2005/proimg/eg01/
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3notesAbar said:
rather than letting the far eastern companies have the production their own way, manufacturers are now instructing these companies to adhere to the manufacturer's standard- that's what PRS did with their SE models. subsequently, many others follow suit simply because they find it more sensible to do so, especially when the instruments bear the name of the manufacturer- reputation is at stake. as far as chinese production is concerned, the Ibanez Artcore models speak volumes about chinese craftsmanship today. if the standard continues, china might better the korean standard in time to come.
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new for 2005, is the SUB Sterling model... 8)
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2 main diff:
1.Body size have been shrunk a little
2.No pickup selector switch
the bass retails for as much as the SUB...
1.Body size have been shrunk a little
2.No pickup selector switch
the bass retails for as much as the SUB...
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the SUB Sterling is what the name implies- the SUB version of the popular Sterling model. the original Sterling model was the subsequent bass by Ernie Ball to turn heads (after the Stingray) due to its sheer tone versatility; it's one of the very few bass models ever to feature a pickup selector. the Sterling differs from the Stingray in design by virtue of its bass-side cutaway, it's more slender there + the tailend body curve is slightly offset unlike the very round Stingray.
unfortunately, the SUB Sterling does not feature a pickup selector but critics have hailed it to be a slightly better manifestation of the SUB bass, more midrange defined & lighter in mass. like all SUB models of th Music Man series (SUB1 guitars included), these aren't a cheaper version of the original manifestations offererd by the manufacturer, they mimic their predecessors design but sound markedly different simply because of the differences in wood & finishing processes which affect tone.
similarly, if you think that Fender's Highway1 & the SUB are cheapos to help the company sell quantities, then you've missed the point. 8)
how the original Sterling looks like (note the pickup selector):
unfortunately, the SUB Sterling does not feature a pickup selector but critics have hailed it to be a slightly better manifestation of the SUB bass, more midrange defined & lighter in mass. like all SUB models of th Music Man series (SUB1 guitars included), these aren't a cheaper version of the original manifestations offererd by the manufacturer, they mimic their predecessors design but sound markedly different simply because of the differences in wood & finishing processes which affect tone.
similarly, if you think that Fender's Highway1 & the SUB are cheapos to help the company sell quantities, then you've missed the point. 8)
how the original Sterling looks like (note the pickup selector):
subversion said:the SUB Sterling is what the name implies- the SUB version of the popular Sterling model. the original Sterling model was the subsequent bass by Ernie Ball to turn heads (after the Stingray) due to its sheer tone versatility; it's one of the very few bass models ever to feature a pickup selector. the Sterling differs from the Stingray in design by virtue of its bass-side cutaway, it's more slender there + the tailend body curve is slightly offset unlike the very round Stingray.
unfortunately, the SUB Sterling does not feature a pickup selector but critics have hailed it to be a slightly better manifestation of the SUB bass, more midrange defined & lighter in mass. like all SUB models of th Music Man series (SUB1 guitars included), these aren't a cheaper version of the original manifestations offererd by the manufacturer, they mimic their predecessors design but sound markedly different simply because of the differences in wood & finishing processes which affect tone.
similarly, if you think that Fender's Highway1 & the SUB are cheapos to help the company sell quantities, then you've missed the point. 8)
how the original Sterling looks like (note the pickup selector):
oicic ... hmm sub ? the pickup selector is to split the humbucker into single coils right ? since there is one humbucker on the sub sterling .
two qns for you
sterling bass not avaliable in sg right ?how is the sterling different from the stingray and isit feasible to install / mod a pickup selector option into the sub sterling bass ?
the px is similar to the sub X01 / X02 bass ?
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i've not seen the Sterling bass anywhere here, if Sinamex has it, then it must be something i've overlooked.
i believe i've mentioned the physical differences betw the Singray & the Sterling. tonal differences are rather marked, however with both basses engaging the humbucker in its full-on mode, they should sound similar but punters still think that the Stingray has a deeper, fuller bottom end which produces sick snap & slap tones.
it woudn't be feasible to install the switching system in the SUB Sterling, routing for it isn't provided for in the first place... the original Sterling is a stellar simply because the switching system spilts the humbucker to function individually.
i believe i've mentioned the physical differences betw the Singray & the Sterling. tonal differences are rather marked, however with both basses engaging the humbucker in its full-on mode, they should sound similar but punters still think that the Stingray has a deeper, fuller bottom end which produces sick snap & slap tones.
it woudn't be feasible to install the switching system in the SUB Sterling, routing for it isn't provided for in the first place... the original Sterling is a stellar simply because the switching system spilts the humbucker to function individually.
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there's no SUB Stingray, just SUB...
prices already quoted in previous posting...
that metal plate is an acquired taste, but i've opted for it just to be different. ESP wasn't the one to initiate the design first...
prices already quoted in previous posting...
that metal plate is an acquired taste, but i've opted for it just to be different. ESP wasn't the one to initiate the design first...
haaha brother sub !
hmmz ... could ya do a review of it once it arrives in davis ? would be dying to find out wad u think of it ... hmmz ..
can clarify some stuff ? i m not too sure bout it .. e.g
wad are the sub series ? i know about the stingray , bongo and sterling basses
but the sub series are recent right ? there are sub guitars ( not familiar) and sub X01 X02 and now sub sterling for the bass ...
hmm ... curious in the sense ... isit some kidna exteneded product family for musicman ? tonally wise , do they mimic the stingray or are completly different products with individual characters
hmmz ... could ya do a review of it once it arrives in davis ? would be dying to find out wad u think of it ... hmmz ..
can clarify some stuff ? i m not too sure bout it .. e.g
wad are the sub series ? i know about the stingray , bongo and sterling basses
but the sub series are recent right ? there are sub guitars ( not familiar) and sub X01 X02 and now sub sterling for the bass ...
hmm ... curious in the sense ... isit some kidna exteneded product family for musicman ? tonally wise , do they mimic the stingray or are completly different products with individual characters
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aha, time to clear things up a bit- thanks for the prompt...
the SUB series by Music Man is a range of more affordable instruments, the philosophy of which is similar to that of Fender's Highway1 series- cost cutting in terms of finish, electronics & other areas where tone remains appealing. it's all about offering a more affordable instrument without offering dud parts while retaining the brand name credibility. here's a summary of the models on offer to date:
BASS:
1.SUB X01: 4-string/ passive
2.SUB X02: 4-string/ active
3.SUB X03: 5-string/ passive
4.SUB X04: 5-string/ active
5.SUB Sterling: passive/ active available (new 2005)
following the success of the bass, the manufacturer subsequently offers the SUB1 guitars- same philosophy, just the guitar version. current models come in either a H or H/H pickup combo with vibrato/ fixed bridge option.
many people think that the SUB series are simply the cheapo version of the other established offerings- the similarity ends in looks. body wood is poplar so it exudes a different tone, different from the Stingray/ Sterling/ Silhoutte/ etc.
the SUB series by Music Man is a range of more affordable instruments, the philosophy of which is similar to that of Fender's Highway1 series- cost cutting in terms of finish, electronics & other areas where tone remains appealing. it's all about offering a more affordable instrument without offering dud parts while retaining the brand name credibility. here's a summary of the models on offer to date:
BASS:
1.SUB X01: 4-string/ passive
2.SUB X02: 4-string/ active
3.SUB X03: 5-string/ passive
4.SUB X04: 5-string/ active
5.SUB Sterling: passive/ active available (new 2005)
following the success of the bass, the manufacturer subsequently offers the SUB1 guitars- same philosophy, just the guitar version. current models come in either a H or H/H pickup combo with vibrato/ fixed bridge option.
many people think that the SUB series are simply the cheapo version of the other established offerings- the similarity ends in looks. body wood is poplar so it exudes a different tone, different from the Stingray/ Sterling/ Silhoutte/ etc.
ha ok...i take it you don't got a rough estimate on the price of the sub1's yet..? i'm expecting less than 1k..ha it's beginning to feel like the highway 1...if only uncle davis will hold a buddy special like the fender sale...sub bass + sub1 gtr =$1500 haha though that will never happen...
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Jem007 said:
i seriously have no clue as to the prices of the guitars, be prepared to pay between $700-$1K for them, their list prices are not far off the SUB bass'
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will do- i'm anticipating its debut as well!
one thing for sure is that it won't make the upcoming Davis shipment (2 weeks)... 8)
one thing for sure is that it won't make the upcoming Davis shipment (2 weeks)... 8)
So it's finally here.
You know. I almost thought they'd totally forgot about it already. I asked for a Musicman S.U.B. after I saw it at Davis like last year? I asked if they had more and they said they were ordering it and it should come Jan 2005. Week after week, month after month, waited, uptill end Jan 2005 no news, and Davis crew was indifferent, as though I hadn't asked. It pissed me off quite a lot and so I went over to Sinamex and bought a Sterling. It was the last one they had there, so I took it home straight.
I guess I'm happy with it. I'm just feeling a bit crappy since I'm still broke. :roll:
You know. I almost thought they'd totally forgot about it already. I asked for a Musicman S.U.B. after I saw it at Davis like last year? I asked if they had more and they said they were ordering it and it should come Jan 2005. Week after week, month after month, waited, uptill end Jan 2005 no news, and Davis crew was indifferent, as though I hadn't asked. It pissed me off quite a lot and so I went over to Sinamex and bought a Sterling. It was the last one they had there, so I took it home straight.
I guess I'm happy with it. I'm just feeling a bit crappy since I'm still broke. :roll:
