Musicians, our attitude and proficiency.

[rottenramone]

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i was talking to some friends about the angst and politics that happened in the old communities. no good to bring over here. better to build something than to tear it down, no?

 

[gjkung]

Looks like the vote is unanimous, this guy has serious issues.

Well I think in anything we do, we must meet the other party halfway, be it in form of work, transport, payment or at last sincerity. I Just received the email from him, he is greatly disappointed in me as I've proven to be like most singaporeans.

He also warned me that anyone of his stature would never give an amateur like me a chance to play with them. Yes that's right, he called me an amateur.


btw everyone, I'm not trying to get anyone to bash him and support me, it's just a story telling, nothing more!


p.s: pm for anything private details.

 

[rottenramone]

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i'm more taken aback that his stature prevents him from playing music

 

[weckl-x]

I love being an amateur/hobbyist Playing music is just one of the many many things I enjoy in life. I see no point in being great at something if one cannot demonstrate one of the things that make us human - the ability to show someone basic respect simply because he/she is a fellow human being. Otherwise, you're no different from an animal.

Does one look down on the person who clears the table at the coffeeshop because he/she earns less than you? Does he/she not deserve a "thank you" after they have cleared and cleaned the table, and made your eating experience better?

Cheers to music! Bollocks to elitism

(Agree with rengaw's statement in post #19. Rock on bro.)

 

[gjkung]

hey guys don't be mistaken I'm not whining!

I mean the moment I posted this I kinda felt it'd seem like I'm trying to gain support for my disappointment. xD

really appreciate those who shared their experiences with our great drummer guy, I didn't know about any of the dealings he had with other SOFTies.


once again, don't treat this as whining, take it as a funny story alright guys? I had a great laugh with my friends when i updated them on my progress with drummer dood.

 

[M.I.A]

wah knn buaeh paiseh sia

 

[davs]

Be Humble Always ~

 

[sycododo]

his engrish is horrigible too.
okay fine. I understand it's to shorten time spent on typing those things out.
Hope he speaks well though when he goes and represent Singapore.
:|

But I guess whenever someone who have been praised many times and let themselves be swayed by the praises, or on the verge of fame, it's hard for one to stay rooted and not let his ego grow.
And, like someone said earlier, it's only right for someone to feel accomplished after such success.
It's the person's choice of... something. I forgot, lost my train of thoughts.

 

[Cheez]

I guess the key is to enjoy music. When music becomes a job, it has the tendency for the musician to lose the most important and basic fact - that music is meant for the masses, and first and foremost meant for enjoyment (be it listener or player).

My brother-in-law met a taxi driver the other day who used to be a jazz pianist for more than 15 years. After 15 years of playing "the same thing" in hotels etc, he lost passion and interest. Quit his job, and became a taxi driver. But he's now also teaching piano, which I believe he enjoyed more than playing the same repertoire again and again. He may not look good without the tux, but he is now enjoying it.

So, this thread is a good lesson for all of us. Any of us can fall into the trap. Remember, as was said elsewhere, "music is not a competitive sport". Doesn't matter who's better or worse. As long as I enjoy what I'm doing. Three cheers for hobbyists! We have the benefit of just enjoying making music without worrying whether it will bring bread on the table. And when we become better at how we make music, don't forget we were all once noobs, learning how to hold a guitar and where middle C is on the piano...

So, let's start checking ourselves and not be too hard on that guy - he could very well be us if we weren't careful (talking to myself here as well.....)!

 

[gsonique]

Totally agree with that ^

 

[snuffleupagus]

yup, well said!

 

[RudimentalDrummer]

Bro Cheez - so true.eeee

 

[weif]

you know what?...
I'm pretty sure I noe who the drummer is by now la.
And I learned drums from him for a short period of time before I became seriously broke to continue any lessons from any teacher.
I'm not going to sing praises.

BUT neither am I going to hurl insults at him.
LOOK AT U GUYS!! Hurling vulgarities and condemning a fellow musician.
No wonder ppl all say that musicians got attitude problem like what RudimentalDrummer mentioned earlier in this post.
LOOK AT YOURSELF FIRST, ppl!!

gjkung, i know that u must be offended at this experience with that guy. But this is NOT the right way to solve the problem.
All u guys achieved here is just vocal-BASHING of that drummer.
As a fellow drummer-in-progress I'm really upset la..to c that there r drummers who apparently have a "big ego", as gjkung said.

but hey...i was proud once, i also once thought i could do everything (even when i definitely could not),
im sure im not the only one who has had to learn humility.

i hate to be this longwinded but gjkung, it would have been better if u told that drummer direct in the email that he should NOT think that he is superior to others,& also not to shoot down local musicians (he did not say such things when I was still taking lessons from him).

Placing your experience here does nothing but make other respondents judge d situation and condemn.
I hope u all get what I mean.

 

[Grain]

jkl

ego....arrogant ...bragggers..... watsoever...

features if this kinda ppl deserve to be.

1] is he playing or working for any big recording labels / sessioning for any big artists
2] is this musician belonging to any money making/ big band
3] is he known to alot of people ( not just in S'pore )
4] How many albums ( if any ) his bands have sold
5] How many sold-out gigs have he play
6] How many students does he have
7] How much money is he earning every month
8] is he featured in any magazines and such.....

If he is not in any of these features, than tell him to go suck a cow......

 

[RudimentalDrummer]

Weif:-

Everyone knows – who the drummer is Bro gjkung referring to here and why is it so? – Because there remain certain facts that are true (not through words-Of-Mouth) but … through all previous posting by the Drummer mentioned himself – The Perception to others here as what he is – is through how he himself had projected himself here to others.

When things get out of hands – we come in – we say stop and move on – if it continues – we take action, the worst case scenario is a BANNED from Soft.

It is understandable that every fellow students respect their Mentor/Instructor (me too), and at times will stick out their neck for them – (Be it to be chopped or not) – that only human..

From Bro gjkung posting, there were no insult to the Drummer (your Mentor) and he had been very careful into putting it down in words here as far as I see it. If only you’ve saw previous posting by your same Mentor – compare it and you will be able to defined – What’s Insult.

RD (myself) did says that MOST Musician had some attitude problem because Musician are funny people sometimes…….but it’s ok (must agar-agar here – don’t overdo things). A good musician can be proud of one’s own achievement – meaning have a certain pride, some think “It’s A Privilege To Be Snooblish” BUT - - NOT HERE !.

You Quote: -

“LOOK AT YOURSELF FIRST, ppl!!” …and… “ I'm really upset la..to c that there r drummers who apparently have a "big ego"…and…. “ he should NOT think that he is superior to others,& also not to shoot down local musicians (he did not say such things when I was still taking lessons from him).” …and… “ I hope u all get what I mean.”

The fact is do you really know – Which Drummers Have the BIGGEST Ego Here? – No you don’t, if you do – you won’t have mentioned these words here….and shooting down Local Musician/Drummer at Soft Forum ….. is why the Particular Drummer mentioned by you – Was BANNED here.

Let this matter rest now – and let’s move on ! ……



Bro Grain

Cannot say like that lah – it’s like you tell us ALL 95% of people here in Soft to go suck Cow, Anyway even a Musician conform to all that that you have stipulated…same thing - - It’s not the Person’s Priviledge to be Snooblish around here and is allowed tothumb down any other fellow Musician…not in Soft’s Forum for sure.

Thank you all for the co-operation…


Move on – let the matter rest !…Have a wonderful day – all of you.


Eric

 

[weif]

Precisely, I meant that we all should let this matter rest! I never said that gjkung insulted that drummer. BUT many others who replied DID. what "third finger" what this what that.
Since RD says that the drummer in question has been banned, I have nothing more to say except this: (Directed to all those who kept insulting and insulting in their replies)
"If the drummer were YOUR teacher, would YOU let other ppl insult and insult???"

This is MY answer :"NO"!
Respect does not change even if you guys all psycho me. It will only show how shallow I am IF I were to join in all the insults.
I can't be bothered with you guys.

 

[Grain]

rru

Aiyooohhh Eric,
Not that i am telling any of us SOFTies to go suck cow. pls understand, from my experience, i have seen musicians that are not the well off, having EGOs as big as their shitty heads when most of em' cant even play that well. But the good ones were the humble ones, they never brag nor hitting on others. they just share their thoughts and skills to one that needs.

Guys, i dont mean to offend anyone hear. seriously, i met lotsa musicians like wat gjkung refering to. i may be lower than any amateur or just a so so kinda musician, but i knoe how to valuate a pro and a true pro. A pro, yes he can play his instruments real well and telling he/she is that great. A true Pro, not just playing his instruments extremely well, but also the ones that have a heart and earn his/her respect from others. Not asking to be respected or self proclaiming.( not many are like this )

thats y i point out those features. Its the real truth.

 

[weif]

i agree man
Finally there's someone here who has common sense and a clear heart.
Why don't we just move on and not judge people so much.
It would make us better people, whether we are pro in our skills or not that pro yet...with determination and practice, we'll make it!!

~long live drummers!!!!~

 

[blurred]

its weird hor, how even though he is banned still can bring up so many negative feelings.
seems like he has the reverse midas, where everything he touches turns ugly.
lets lay this to rest, no need to rack up emotion on someone tht is by far not worth it.

 

[Ized]

I think as human beings, we all have issues at hand-strength and weakness derived from our personality.

This fella may be egoistic.....but i think it would do us no sense to throw up a bitchfit about it. If not we would just fall under the same trap he did and start bashing other musicians.

Some kinda dramatic irony in play yo?