Hi guys i have a few questions regarding multitracking. i recently recorded a song with drums bass and guitars. I did it multitracking style since I did it alone. Question is when i finished recording the drum track (close miking) is there anyway to lay the other tracks without bleed between tracks? for eg when i record the bass track next i listen to the drum track and record, and this causes bleed, when i solo the bass track i hear the drum track, same for other instruments. I use cakewalk btw. I actually had a great drum track (i soloed and listened to it only) but because of the other instruments 'bleeding' it didn't sound too good, but when i solo it sounds much better. Is there any solution around this? thanks for the help guys..
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Cheez
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Ahhh. I see. Do you use a mixer? If you do, it will be much easier to get around this.
But still, even without that, it should not be a problem. You should be hearing the tracks with headphones and not through monitor speakers.
After recording the drums, you record your bass with the drums playing in it's own audio track. You should be able to hear both your bass and drums coming out of your headphones at the same time. But because your input is only the bass, that's all that will be recorded. Similarly when you add on other tracks. If your system is not able to take too many tracks because it is not optimised or for whatever reasons, you may want to bounce the tracks first (ie make 2 or 3 tracks into 1 track, then continue to add more tracks). But that will mean you lose the ability to edit individual instruments. I see no problems with just 3 instruments (drum, bass, guitar).
But still, even without that, it should not be a problem. You should be hearing the tracks with headphones and not through monitor speakers.
After recording the drums, you record your bass with the drums playing in it's own audio track. You should be able to hear both your bass and drums coming out of your headphones at the same time. But because your input is only the bass, that's all that will be recorded. Similarly when you add on other tracks. If your system is not able to take too many tracks because it is not optimised or for whatever reasons, you may want to bounce the tracks first (ie make 2 or 3 tracks into 1 track, then continue to add more tracks). But that will mean you lose the ability to edit individual instruments. I see no problems with just 3 instruments (drum, bass, guitar).
i usse a yamaha mixer and headphones, sending the drum track to the last channel on my mixer for monitoring, and recording my bass through the first two channels , using audiophile 2496..don't think the signal coming from the headphone would bleed into the mic right? but still after recording i get that 'internal bleed' worse still when more tracks are added..
Cheez
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Mixer setting wrong. The drum track is somehow still routed to your output. Select your output carefully. You should have a submix or alternate outputs. Your headphones should be hearing the overall mix. The output to your audiophile should only be the ones coming from your bass.
By the way, why do you have 2 channels for bass?
By the way, why do you have 2 channels for bass?
bernardgoh
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eerrr... if you have a mixer, send auxes or group for recording lor. 
Indigo_blues
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hi jem, reading thru the thread, its true that some small mixers have a 'slight' bleed when it comes to mixing and monitoring.. To solve this issue once and for all, I suggest you route the outs of your audiophile directly to your monitoring speakers (if u have) or your headphones(via a small headphone amp).. Its usually not a good idea to use one mixer for both input and output of the soundcard cause if you press the wrong button on the mixer, you may end up with a horribly loud digital feedback loop which may destroy your headphones/speakers.
Like cheez said, its best to monitor thru the headphones when recording your bass tracks as this will allow the bass mic to avoid picking up stray drum track noise. Again, this is quite easily achieved if you separate the outputs of the audiophile from the inputs.
Like cheez said, its best to monitor thru the headphones when recording your bass tracks as this will allow the bass mic to avoid picking up stray drum track noise. Again, this is quite easily achieved if you separate the outputs of the audiophile from the inputs.
Indigo_blues
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choices are as far as i can think of: anything that can accept an audio input and has an output.. 1. another small mixer (try behringer -about $100 for smallest one) 2. headphone amp (go to hung brothers at Simlim) 3. any stereo amplifier with headphone out.
Too bad your card doesn't have a headphone out.. bummer.
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Too bad your card doesn't have a headphone out.. bummer.
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Indigo_blues
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it really depends on how flexible the yamaha mixer is... The principle is that you must keep the input channels of the mixer separate from the output channels from the soundcard, otherwise u end up with a feedback loop.
I think the easiest way to deal with this situation is to treat the cakewalk as the main mixer in your setup and treat your yamaha mixer as just a routing station.. this will help you to see things clearer. Hence you can route your bass tracks from say channel 1 and 2 of the yamaha mixer to the main outs of the same mixer, then use the main outs of the yamaha as your input to your soundcard. This is your input stage. For the output/monitoring stage, connect your soundcard's outs (need to convert the rca to quarter inch) to maybe channel 7 and 8 of the yamaha but sub-out channel 7 and 8 to subgroup 1 on the yamaha mixer, then connect subgroup out to your headphones. Note that no mixing actually takes place on the yamaha mixer.... all the mixing will be done in cakewalk. The yamaha is just used to adjust the gain of the input tracks and to serve as a headphone amp at the same time. This should work, PROVIDED your yamaha has got at least 1 assignable subgroup mix.
I think the easiest way to deal with this situation is to treat the cakewalk as the main mixer in your setup and treat your yamaha mixer as just a routing station.. this will help you to see things clearer. Hence you can route your bass tracks from say channel 1 and 2 of the yamaha mixer to the main outs of the same mixer, then use the main outs of the yamaha as your input to your soundcard. This is your input stage. For the output/monitoring stage, connect your soundcard's outs (need to convert the rca to quarter inch) to maybe channel 7 and 8 of the yamaha but sub-out channel 7 and 8 to subgroup 1 on the yamaha mixer, then connect subgroup out to your headphones. Note that no mixing actually takes place on the yamaha mixer.... all the mixing will be done in cakewalk. The yamaha is just used to adjust the gain of the input tracks and to serve as a headphone amp at the same time. This should work, PROVIDED your yamaha has got at least 1 assignable subgroup mix.
Indigo_blues
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just a warning: in the above setup i described, its easy to kenna a feedback loop.... just assign the channels 7 and 8 to the main outs of the yamaha and you will kenna feedback loop already.. so you must be very careful.. again this is not ideal but if this is the best you can work with then you just have to be a bit more careful.
Indigo_blues
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haha.. that should work but that's not the right way to do it leh... u have to sync up the tracks manually later which may be a hassle also.. for one track it may be ok but think of the hassle if you're doing 'real' multitracking with like 10 tracks... 8O
that should work but that's not the right way to do it leh... u have to sync up the tracks manually later which may be a hassle also.. for one track it may be ok but think of the hassle if you're doing 'real' multitracking with like 10 tracks... 8Oha just a matter of sliding each track into place, shouldn't be a problem...but sounds like quite a hassle to do it the way u suggest..if i use ch 1 n 2 for bass and ch 7 for monitoring but send 1 n2 submix for recording will i still be able to monitor ch 7? will it be bypassed...?
Indigo_blues
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ah i think u still don't get it..
The cakewalk is acting as the mixing device... hence u WILL be able to monitor the mix - cause basically whatever is coming out of the soundcard output will be already 'mixed' ... get it? Means that the soundcard output will be the 'mixed' track of your live bass playing and the backing drum track..
This means your yamaha mixer is NOT acting as a mixer. Its just acting as an interface device between your soundcard and the instruments. So don't get confused here. You need to treat the computer as your MAIN mixer. The yamaha is just an interface.
I'm sure you can figure out the reason why... if you use your yamaha as a mixer, then all your cakewalk will see is one stereo track, not multitrack, cause everything will be already mixed liao by the yamaha before going into your computer.. get it?
One other reason for the above is that once your audio signals enter the soundcard, there WILL be a thing called 'Latency' introduced... hence if you monitor your 'live' bass playing but with the drum output from the computer, your tracks won't sync because the soundcard output WILL be delayed.. hence you must monitor the bass playing after the signal has passed into and out of the computer as well.. hope this makes sense to you..
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The cakewalk is acting as the mixing device... hence u WILL be able to monitor the mix - cause basically whatever is coming out of the soundcard output will be already 'mixed' ... get it? Means that the soundcard output will be the 'mixed' track of your live bass playing and the backing drum track..
This means your yamaha mixer is NOT acting as a mixer. Its just acting as an interface device between your soundcard and the instruments. So don't get confused here. You need to treat the computer as your MAIN mixer. The yamaha is just an interface.
I'm sure you can figure out the reason why... if you use your yamaha as a mixer, then all your cakewalk will see is one stereo track, not multitrack, cause everything will be already mixed liao by the yamaha before going into your computer.. get it?
One other reason for the above is that once your audio signals enter the soundcard, there WILL be a thing called 'Latency' introduced... hence if you monitor your 'live' bass playing but with the drum output from the computer, your tracks won't sync because the soundcard output WILL be delayed.. hence you must monitor the bass playing after the signal has passed into and out of the computer as well.. hope this makes sense to you..
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