Materials with soundproof properties .. your experiment

I think there is definitely a confusion between isolation and acoustic treatment here.

And earwax, concrete may do a decent job of isolating air borne noise. But if the concrete is not floated and in contact with any parts of the existing structure, structural vibrations will still be transmitted.

I do agree with you however that concrete is more effective than egg crate/blankets etc for higher frequencies if we are just talking about controlling air borne noise.

robin
 
Yeah have tried with partition and rockwool in between.
Bascially is partition, rockwool, air gap, rock wool, partition.

Totally rocks

Robin
 
sounds like it's going to be a 'room within a room' (thus making the existin one even smaller than it already is) thx anyway robin :)
 
yes ala_carte, it will be a lot smaller and also madwerewolf boy, you are right, we will go deaf unless some adsorption treatment is done.

Do go to soundbites to check out their sound proofing. It is room within a room as far as the walls are concerned and does a very good job at keeping unwanted sounds out and preventing band sound leaking out to others also. The only weakness is their 3 doors at the sound lock. It is not solid timber therefore isolation between the control room and recording room is compromised. However, it is still very much acceptable!

Robin
 
IMO matresses own! if i had a choice i'll cover my walls with bed matresses!

becausssssssssse..... my mom removed her king sized bed recently, and when i speak in the empty room, there's an echo! so imagine if i had a stack of matresses on the floor, wall, roof etc!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:



somebody slap me if i'm speaking nonsense! :?
 
WHole room with mattress?? It's like those cells they put insane people in, so they won't knock their heads on the walls.... :lol:
I've been to a jam studio like that, it stinks big time, feels exceptionally hot, and all sound is totally absorbed..
Try not to absorb your whole room unless you intend it just for vocal recordings. A room should have some life (reflections!). Small rooms has bass problems, so i am currently planning to make one of those DIY bass traps....
 
bullet proof walls

Ten pieces of gypsum can stop a bullet, but cannot stop bass frequencies.

One contractor told me this and i thought i share it with you DIYs.
 
i talked with a professional interior designer once, soundproofing actually quite easy

the normal concrete walls are actually enough, its just the holes between the doors, the door, the window and all these tiny holes by which the sounds escapes
 
jeremyrozario could be right. i heard something like this before. why don't you try sealing all the gaps first before you actually purchase any materials to sound proof your room.
 
Do keep in mind that the density of your door is the most important element. Plugging the holes only work if your doors are dense/ heavy enough. Also, concrete walls will only stop air borne noise transmission and does not do a very effective job isolating structural borne noise / vibrations.

Regards
Robin
 
Rock wool is one of the most effective materials. But difficult to get and work with. But if you just want your bedroom to b sound-proof, that's quite easy. It's either you use rock wool, or Foams. Then add some bass-trap they all corners. But of course, this only provide you to certain degree of soundproof. If you want those 100% sound proof, then I would say, that's alot of jobs and money to be spend. You can also hire contractors to do the jobs if you have the $$.
 
Just a question, Foam and wool works because of the air trap between which helps to absorb the sound energy. (Sound travels slower in air than in solids)

So will it work if I weave together a a curtain of egg crates and hang it from the ceiling to the floor along the walls. Theoretically, the shape of the egg crate can deflect the sound waves and the layer of air in between will slow it down (absorb the sound energy)....right?

I want to reduce the noise that can be heard from the outside of the room. How can this be done cheaply?
 
first you gotta know what you want before you do anything.
second you need to have realistic goals.

as many have already pointed out, the 1st point of confusion is the difference between sound proofing and acoustically treating a room. sound proofing is the process of preventing noise from traveling between the room and whats outside of the room.

SOUND PROOFING
basically when your inside the room you don't want to hear anything from outside the room as well as when you make whatever noise in the room (guitar/vocal recording, argueing with your gf/bf, blast britney spears womanizer, etc) you don't want anyone outside of the room to be able to hear you.

ACOUSTICALLY TREATMENT
here we're not really interested in the sound that travels from the inside of the room to the outside and vice versa. we just want a room that sounds nice. now, nice is very subjective so we shall not go there, but basically its making a room's sound properties ideal for whatever purpose you want to use the room for. for vocal recording rooms, this usually means deadening the room as much as possible. for control rooms, they wouldn't want a dead room, which will go back to the subjective discussion on "nice"

now, after you have identified what you want to achieve, then you will take the necessary steps to solve your problem. yes there has to be a problem that you want to solve. for eg:

1. bass freq muddy
2. room echoey
3. i can hear my neighbours getting it on everyday from 12am - 2am and it's driving me crazy!
4. i'm the neighbour getting it on everyday from 12am - 2am and i dont want no one outside my room to know

from these reasons, the solutions are usually a combination of these 3 problems:
1. sound proofing
2. acoustically treating the absorption
3. acoustically treating the diffusion

for [1], u simply need to stop the sound translating from outside the room and inside the room. best way has already been mentioned: room in a room. basically because there are 2 types of noise: airborne noise, and mediumborne noise. for airborne, u simply need to isolate the air inside from the air outside. this is the easier noise to get rid of. mediumborne noise is isolating the mediums so that noise does not tranlate from your walls, floors, ceilings, etc. covering up holes in your room like earlier mentioned will reduce airborne noise, but not mediumborne noise.

for [2] and [3], you just need to know the difference between absorption and diffusion.

absorption is preventing any noise that hits the material from bouncing somewhere else. this helps deaden the room. if you want to completely deaden the room, then use a lot of absorption materials.

diffusion is making all soundwaves that hit the material bounce of at different directions. this will reduce harsh echoes.

usually you will want to balance these 2. unless of course you are going for a 100% deadened room =]

sorry for the lengthiness. hope this somehow helps :)
 
ISOLATION

For bass frequency isolation airtight dense walls best (eg concrete, brick)

Mid/ High frequencies can be isolated effectively by tightly built gypsum/DSP walls with compacted rockwool in the middle.

ABSORBTION

Foam, acoustic panels, sponge and the like absorb mid to high frequencies.

Bass traps/ resonators help in controlling bass boominess

DIFFUSION

Irregular shaped wood (or similar) panels diffuse mid and high frequencies (improves phase coherency/ results in more defined sound)

You cannot diffuse bass frequencies...slippery bendy suckers those. Shape and dimension of room determines resonance.


TIPS

-avoid parrallel or 90 degree walls if possible.
-dimensions of room not to be multiples of each other (eg 2.5meters by 5 meters by 10 meters- asking for trouble with topping of whipped cream)
- design room to fit use/need (if you are playing drums the first thing you do is float the floor or build drum platform to reduce structure borne sound, then treat side walls)
- If glass needed use vacuum glass and soundlock edges of doors and windows with rubber lining. Use Handles/ knobs with plush lock/tightening ..the ones that tighten the more you turn.
- Learn more about STC (sound transmission coefficients) of materials. And Calculating ROOM MODES (resonant frequencies dependant of dimensions of room) and RT60 (Reverb decay time to adjust liveliness of room.

INTERIOR DESIGNERS ARE NOT ACOUSTICIANS. I EAT THEM FOR BREAKFAST.
 
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