Korg Triton

[piano_ex]

hahaha ... wah .. a daddy's busy! =) jia you!

yea... i must agree ... wad happened was i was browsing through the acoustic patch, which made me happy ... and goin to electronic sound ... ie. lead ... which left me totally pondering about the price tag ...

yea, i guess i won't take up fantom as my controller .... since i'm so used to playing lead with korg .... yamaha 2 mod wheel is totally super uncomfortable for me though cheez ... since what i play is jazz fusion ... and i like to play lead ... chick corea stuff ... and to do bending with that mod wheel is totally weird! ... i actually wondering how minoru mukaiya from CASIOPEA can tahan with that ... hahaha, maybe he doesn't do that much of bending .... anwyay ... i'm hunting for roland ax7 as well!!! .. anybody have? .. or can i have a try? please!? please!? pretty please?!? hahaha ...

yah .... now is either i buy a workstation controller which can be used for all application (shud be korg triton extreme ba) .. or buying nord lead 3 .. which i want from very long ago!!! =) .... hopefully can get ... hehehehe ...

 

[SoNiCbRaT]

A bit slow in reply here but I am an avid Triton ST88 user... good or bad? It's preferences in user interface. Sounds good or bad? Hmmm subjective and also how you use the sounds. Think about how people in the past uses very old and out dated synths and their track still sounds lush... think about how some current artists uses vintage synths or old synths and still sounds great. End of the day, it's how you process the sounds. I've been with my Triton for 6 years and I am still happily using it for most of my works (because I am used to the interface) ... tweaking sounds on it is important as how "good" it sounds depends on your ears and how you use it. If it sounds thin (most digital synths do anyway) use a tube compressor to add warmth, eq after recording to get that big bottom or an aural exciter to get some presence... that's what mixing and mastering is (partly) about anyway... for live, tube compressor, a little reverb, and eq does the trick

Though it's not the only synth I use, I love the Triton... even when I do get and M3 I will not sell my Triton...

 

[bongman]

Getting late (almost 2 am). Baby fed, diapers changed. Now to sleep...for 3 hours until the next feed. It's been a while since I did this...

wow! it's a hard day's night ? Fatherhood not easy ?!
Well done, you're a jolly good fella !

Though it's not the only synth I use, I love the Triton... even when I do get and M3 I will not sell my Triton...

the sounds may sound lifeless, but after a while I guess it's the user interface, features and functions that makes Triton a seller in her days !

anyway, some sounds are not too bad

 

[SilverBeast]

Back in the "old" days, kybd makers do not seem to want to include the best sounds in their synths. They come up with expansion cards or boards which usually contains fuller sounds seemingly to make more money out of us. I'm glad workstations nowadays include the sampling module as a standard component.

Back in the "even older" days when DX7 and D50 reigns or even "ancient" days of analogs, tons of impressive music have been made using them. Bottomline is that any instrument is lifeless coz only the player can make it come alive!

Though it's not the only synth I use, I love the Triton... even when I do get and M3 I will not sell my Triton...

Sonic, so I guess I don't have to wait? :lol:

 

[pf]

You could try turning up the volume much louder when you play, maybe at least 3 o'clock position on the volume knob.

Hey iansoh!!! That actually works!

Sorry everybody else who are quite serious abt the Korg issue....newbie in the works...hehe...

 

[piano_ex]

Bottomline is that any instrument is lifeless coz only the player can make it come alive!


well said!!!! =)

 

[SoNiCbRaT]

Well said SilverBeast... I get quite baffled when people complain about how a synth sounds bad from a keyboard sometimes... I remember when I got my first synth, my queries weren't how bad they sound, but how I'm gona make it sound good, working with restriction (wah... that was like Roland XP10... I sold it away... regret)...

Sonic, so I guess I don't have to wait?

Hmmm I don't know yet... must get the M3 first then say horkay?

Warmest

 

[bongman]

... the Triton didn't live up to what the hype it created,
anyway after figuring out its functionality, it's a great
workstation especially the Combi mode,
arpeggiator and onboard sampler

 

[SilverBeast]

Bongman, I guess no one here is opposing to your complaint and I'm sure you're never complaining in the first place. We tend to compare more these days coz I guess we have more choices of kybds now as the quality and realism of sounds by different makers are closer than it has been years ago. Back then, each maker has their own "brand" of technology to emulate the same instrument sound and yet realism differs.

Personally, I've always paid attention to your valuable comments in the various threads in this forum....BTW, I'm no gay!!! :lol:

Hmmm I don't know yet... must get the M3 first then say horkay?

It's ok Sonic, I know it's difficult to "divorce" from your "wife", especially one that has been through thick and thin with! :lol:

 

[bongman]

Personally, I've always paid attention to your valuable comments in the various threads in this forum...

wow! I'm flattered to hear this. I hope I didn't disappoint, I post just to share;
I believe there are better MIDI musicians here. Dr. Cheez is one !!! His sampling postings are great ! Mr. Ian Soh and SonicBrat are other good threadsters.

I'm getting used to the sound of Triton, I guess with the amount of technology
squeezed into the workstation, there was some compromise. The sound from Triton probably is design with a clean sound in mind, actually now I start to appreciate it.

 

[piano_ex]

cheez, iansoh, sonicbrat, bongman

soft keyboard gurus! =P

 

[aireydon]

korg "combi" versus Yamaha/roland "performances"

i totally agree with the great functunality of korg's COMBi mode in the triton,trinity, studio, le etc.!!!

the number of layers, splits, and velocity and sequences i can do in the combi and sequencer mode is simply fantastic.

usually i create fresh combis and splits in the sequencer mode (which give me double patch slots from 8 to 16!!!!!!)). no more memorizing patch numbers..! just load the songs for yr gigs and u are just one no brainer click from yr first song first patch to last song last patch...can even play some sequences along the way....

for gigs,i know of some keyboardists who actually limit their patch diversity and creativity due to laziness to rememebr or write patch numbers or unwillingless to edit stock combis. witht the sequencer mode this is no longer a problem.....

i was hoping for korg to come up with a lightweight workstation with sequencer mode. was disappointed that x50 is jsut a cheap triton le imitation gimmik with no sequencer, but the lightweight certainly attracted me

tot bout the TR, but weight is the same as le. and i just simply can find enuff justifiction to upgrade to a TR from my LE as the weight is the same( i carry my le ard weekly)and 90% of the board is the same. man i need a ligghtweight workstation!

Then Juno G came, and i tot my problem is solved,! light! plus seqencer! though me disappointed with design......a silly reason i noe...and nobody in swee lee can demo the sequencer mode to me....sad...


can the sequencer mode in Juno G match the power of the sequencer in Le/TR..?
i mean , as above my main aim is to create and store patches , create splits ,and play sequences at the same time...frankly i have never used any roland on board sequencer b4.

wat about yamaha..? how powerful is the sequencer...? my main aim is not just writing and arranging songs, but making and storing patches for gigs and the occasional short intro sequence...


wonder if any yamaha Motif/Mo6 or roland fantom/Juno G users can share their experience about the performance modes .....

if JUNO G 's sequencer is great too, i am certainly thinking about swtitching boards! wun give a hoot about asthetics anymore liao laaaaa.... my shoulders are aching like hell with the Le....

 

[bongman]

I guess the Yamaha MM6 and Roland Juno-G is on par with the Korg Triton le, TR and X50.

 

[Cheez]

Aireydon, that's an interesting way to stores patches. I'm not as familar with the Korg as with Yamaha and Roland and have not used a Korg extensively since the T1 and Trinity (so it's quite some time ago). But for most workstations, storing patches in the sequencer mode basically wipes out all the effects programmed specifically for the patches. We usually store them as performances. Then it's one button and the patch comes up (with splits, layers, cc controls etc). When I used to perform live, I usually have about 6 programmed performances per gig - each performance patch is terribly complex, linking various patches from various sound modules and keyboards, splits into 2-4 zones, and controls using expression pedals/mod wheels/faders/various cc controls etc). When performing solo, I would even add percussion (eg suspended cymbals mapped to the highest note of the keyboard and wind chimes mapped to the second highest note, sometimes I have tympani rolls on the lowest octave of the keyboard). My strings layer's volume is usually controlled by expression pedal so I free my hands for playing. Roland and Yamaha performances modes are perfectly fine for all these.

Perhaps Korg doesn't call it performance. But definitely using sequencer mode is not recommended because of the effects limitation. It would ruin the patches. Unless Korg is different? (I can't remember).

 

[aireydon]

wa thanks cheez!

i understand what u said about the effects limitation..i was also shocked when i first started creating combi( or performance) in sequencer mode...all effects gone have to re assign... but then again while a am a big fan of stock/factory patches with ther own complex effects, its also possilbe to reassign effects to the patches in sequencer mode, and realsie u can recreate the magic yrself....reassigning yr own effects can be fun but time consuming...but its absolutely neccessary if not the combis will sound lifeless or short of that certain little magic.. no matter how many layers..

this turns out to be a blessing in disgusie actually , as i kana forced to learn and tweak the effects.....if not i probably wunt have bothered to dealt so deep into the board's effects section..

anyway Le have a effect limitation, only 2 master effects and one insert effects...i.e in song song...only 3 effects max in combi and sequencer...i believe the trinity/triton and Karma has 2 master effects FIVE insert effects...wooooo!..but karma and trinity/triton is heavy leh...

like the example u have mentioned, about how extensive and complex performance can get ( and i tink yr performance is reali power! to trigger patches not only from yr own board but other modules as well..waa i never tot of that! must explore that too next time..i guess u can reali become a one man band if u reai put yr heart into performace/combi mode...haha), i guess its reali how deep and complex u want yr patches to be for live..as long as u have the will,,,i believe building everything from scratch in sequencer mode is not reali a problem ba.....once u start building the combis/perforfaances form scratch yrself..i guess we all aould have realised than many factory presents are actually similar variations of the same few samples...like seeing a magic trick exposed..

issit possbe to reasiign effects in roland and yamahs'a sequencer mode as well..? i create combis in korg's sequencer mode by assigning different patches to the same midi channel...i.e..channel 1, sine wave,pad, bells....channel 2, piano and harp, then i map channel 1 to track 1 and channel 2 to track 2 etc....so when i switch tracks within a song with only one click, can switch combis easily....after that i start adding in effects to each channel.....time wasting la..but quite fun leh....

but i realli buay tahan the weight any more....whahahah. juno G is 1.4 kg igter than le/TR..!

issit possible to to do this in roland....i heard that JUNO G sequencer is similar to fantom....

 

[Cheez]

The limitations of the effects is more than just the trouble to re-program it. Re-programming is the easy part. But various instruments just have different effects to make them the way they are - their particular character. The most difficult is e-piano. I usually program my own e-piano sounds and it requires very specific effects. And that effect cannot be used for others - it will make other sounds in the sequencer palette totally wierd. And most keyboards have 2 to 4 effects max. So you're really stuck with that number of effects if you're in sequencer mode.

However, most keyboards can still assign specific parameters of the effects to individual sequencer tracks. Eg: Effect 1 = chorus and Effect 2 = reverb hall. You can assign whether you want to turn on and off that effect, or how much of that effect to be assigned to that track. So naturally for a bass guitar, I would be reverb and chorus to near zero; for E-piano, I would push up chorus with some reverb, for strings maybe more reverb etc. But there's still limitations as you can see.

Performance mode is simpler. Works the same way. But each patch's parameters (including effects) are completely retained. The other good thing about performance mode is that each performance has 16 tracks to play with (ie in sequencer mode in a workstation) - so that gives you more variability if you like to play with the sequencer mode.

One thing about Roland and Yamaha synths - creating layers (or combis using Korg's terminology) is not as simple as Korg. It requires a little bit more fiddling around. This is talking about synths/workstations - digital and stage pianos are totally different again.

 

[bongman]

As for tweaking the presets.. i'm not sure if that's really helpful because the limitations lie in the quality and tonality of the samples themselves.
...

finally the answer to my query !!!
I got it all wrong !!! ??? The factory presets indeed requires tweaking but !? ,
if you play patches from the EXB-PCM boards, well the sound comes real alive !!!

 

[since1982]

congrats on the new addition, cheez!

bongman, personally I feel the Triton sounds have long outlived their lifetime already. I dunno why people are still buying them.. X50, TR etc etc. even the Oasys and M3 sound resembles the Triton HI engine, which for me is a major point NOT to buy these synths, even if offered a really good price cos eventually new toys will overtake and before we know it, we find ourselves stuck with a bunch of relatively under-performing, old-sounding gadgets.

As for tweaking the presets.. i'm not sure if that's really helpful because the limitations lie in the quality and tonality of the samples themselves. I'm talking about organic sounds here. analog synth - 'electronic' sounds are not my interest so shall not comment on that.

To pf: the acoustics of your piano room will affect the sound that u hear from the CVP. You could try turning up the volume much louder when you play, maybe at least 3 o'clock position on the volume knob. In the case of headphones, are you using a good pair? you better not be using some crappy iPod earphones...

erm.. surreal to read this 8 years later, when i've just got the X50 :S

 

[bongman]

depends on how you use the sound !
I still love the Korg Trinity sound and
the Triton EXB-PCM combis are killers!

 

[since1982]

depends on how you use the sound !
I still love the Korg Trinity sound and
the Triton EXB-PCM combis are killers!

Well i suppose so... wow man you guys really know your stuff. i was reading this thread and i couldn't quite catch on with the keyboard talk..

what are sequencers, for one? is it something within the keyboard that records maybe a passage that you play and which you can call upon during a performance? but isn't that rather risky because chances are it might not mesh well with the tempo?