jamming .. need help

[siva]

hi guys .. i have been jamming with my band for abt 4 times ..haha.. kinda new ah

i and my rhythm guitarist always experience the prob of need being abel to hear each other .. its like i cant hear myself then can hear him sometimes then sometimes i can hear myself and cannot hear him .. like out sound clash like that .. ppl standing outside our room ..say it sounds very noisy due to the clashed sounds

really need help ! plz offer ur much soughted after help softies .. THX !!

 

[Newbie]

Hmm... If your volume's too loud, maybe lower it down? My band also faces such problem, rythm complain cannot hear himself.

Then he crank up very high, i'm the lead and i can't even hear my own stuffs. Thank goodness my drummer can control, as in how hard he whack, so we can still somehow, adjust and lower our volumes.

Just bear in mind don't crank up those studio's amp lah. Poor studios lol.



I've seen in other threads, people recommend this way to er, "adjust the sound during jamming".

First: Drums.
Second: Bass.
Third: Guitars (Try to accomodate each other, and find a suitable vol, maybe start off not so loud 1st).
Lastly: Vocals?


Anyone got better suggestions?

 

[siva]

does tone affect ppl being able to hear ??

 

[Newbie]

Eh tone? Hmm... If i get your question correctly, i think its a yes. Erm like this way ah...


If your, say distortion, too muddy and like.. "gain high high mid low low" those type. in other words, not being able to cut through, yes it will definitely affect.

Especially the drummer, or maybe, MY drummer. My rythm will put his gain quite high, on both dist pedal and amp. Maybe if without band, and if hes playing by himself, haha the tone nice lah. but its too muddy when another guitar comes in, bass, drums, and vocals... It will become noise...

Thats my opinion and experience only...

 

[Colarndo]

(How To Guitar Section)
"Balance within the band"
You'll find more info there.
http://www.soft.com.sg/new/modules....c&t=5234&sid=64a50b100f05d87e1304e693c00c2ac7

 

[Newbie]

Hey Colarndo just to continue from the thread. Balance within the band that is...


Im using a lp. Rythm using a strat... Mmmm... Means? Can gimme like a rough idea how to set the EQ to a standard where we can hear each other loud and clear? and as well for the band...


say ignore the "tone" thingy 1st. like basic. mmm?

 

[siva]

ya.. on my effect .. my tone is nice .. is those kinda mid low kinda distrotion .. solid .. so .. next time i shld use high gain and high mids ??

for mine .. is the tone prob .. me and my guitarisy .. we both usign ibanez ssh guitars .. any recommened settings ?

 

[hifi_killer]

try using the neck pickups. Your sound is prolly too thin to cut thru. Increase the mids and bass.

 

[spikes]

rythem volume at 4 lead at 6, bass at 6... drums normal...

 

[Colarndo]

Shouldn't be a problem with a Strat and a LP.
Since the Strat has a distintive clearer tone.
Lp is thicker and "muddiier". Not much conflict from the way i see it.

The Strat shouldn't be "muddified" further. No decreasing the treble for him. he could however lower his mids slightly to give way for you. You however, are free to increase you mids. And leave your treble the same or increase it.

Please don't increase the Strat's treble too much if you have a vocalist around. You don't want any nasty feedback.

If all else fails, use diff effects(Reverb muddfiles the sound slightly and makes it sound more distant less upfront)or variation in your strumming. Improvise the playing style. I don't know how you're play so i can't say much too.

 

[pooo]

Set everything at a reasonable volume, not too loud that your ears go ringing. Gain levels to an acceptable range, you don't need loads of gain if you're playing rhythm, unless it's heavy stuff we're talking about. Lead guitarists should just a boosting effect only when the solos come around. If everything's kept at a nice cool volume, drummer controls himself, hell the jamming session would be most enjoyable. I certainly am against the turn amp on full thing unless at a gig venue when you need to be heard.

 

[siva]

wat abt for my case ..in which both guitars are ibanez ssh ???

 

[redjackal]

hmm..actually i feel the player's position in the room is important also. Due to experience. Some of the amps are positioned in a way the guitarist wont be able to stand infront of the amp so he wont be able to learn his clearly instead he will hear the other guitarist amp clearer as that amp is facing him

does this make sense? From my experience lah.
it's like the guitarist cant hear him when he is standing behind of beside or rather...not in line with the direction of the sound wave of his amp.
that's why he cant hear himself when all members jam in.

whereas his friend can hear him loud and clear.
Therefore, when this guy cannot hear himself, he will crank up his volume, and his friend will find his amp too loud leading him not being able to hear himself.

 

[Colarndo]

Priority should be given to the lead to be heard. Besides the vocals.
Siva, in your case, someone has to take the upper mids, the other the lower mids to differentiate the 2 apart. An un-orthodox trick to muddify the sound is to add a bit of reverb to the rhythm so he's not so up-front. Hehe.
Trick to cut through is a totally dry sound with a clear tone with clarity/treble boost.
Sorry ah, i can only talk in terms of sound, not a guitar player but a bassist.,ex-soundman.

 

[siva]

higher mids and lower mids ah .. who takes which ?

treble boost also lead take rite ?

basically .. the rhythm takes the more muddy distortion tone ?

 

[Colarndo]

Leave the bottom end to the bassist. Rhythm supports Lead. Lead must be clear coz the focus is more on him. So must be clear.
Rhythm is the body so he will take the lower mids, you can hear him, it feels "full" although he's not promenient, but you can hear he's there kind of thing.
Listen to each other.

 

[siva]

haha.. ok .. will do .. will try it out during my next jamming session .haha.