I recently started singing for my band because I couldn't find a vocalist, and I'm finding that I'm getting the pitch there, but I cannot add the 'rough edge' or growl or whatever in metal vocals. Think along the lines of vocals like classic thrash metal. Actually i can get it but the problem is, practicing and singing like that is giving me a sore throat, there must be some technique to add the rough edge. Anyone can help?
I need help with vocals.
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hecklerkoch
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_grunt
http://www.wikihow.com/Do-Harsh-Death-Metal-Vocals
Check the other reference links too in Wikipedia.
http://www.wikihow.com/Do-Harsh-Death-Metal-Vocals
Check the other reference links too in Wikipedia.
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lacrymosa
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Hi Hydrofly.
It looks to me that you're putting a lot of pressure to your vox for a start. I think you're giving your vocal chord a harsh/sudden treatment to produce a 'rough edge' or growl especially if singing is not what you always do and it's just a start for you. That's why you have sore throat. Such style won't happen overnight.
My advice is that you have to start singing properly first before you can produce any sort of styles, like 'rough edge' or growl that you want in this case.. Drink a good amount of warm water, and/whilst doing vocal warm-up. Warm-up is important or you'll get sore, cramp, whatever, here and there.. Unless you're a born singer and have a gift for singing, then you don't have to do this
I believe there's some threads about vocal warm-up. You should read them..
Good result don't come easy. The cheapest and effective methods to get the style of singing you want is always time, determination, practice and patience..
It looks to me that you're putting a lot of pressure to your vox for a start. I think you're giving your vocal chord a harsh/sudden treatment to produce a 'rough edge' or growl especially if singing is not what you always do and it's just a start for you. That's why you have sore throat. Such style won't happen overnight.
My advice is that you have to start singing properly first before you can produce any sort of styles, like 'rough edge' or growl that you want in this case.. Drink a good amount of warm water, and/whilst doing vocal warm-up. Warm-up is important or you'll get sore, cramp, whatever, here and there.. Unless you're a born singer and have a gift for singing, then you don't have to do this
I believe there's some threads about vocal warm-up. You should read them..Good result don't come easy. The cheapest and effective methods to get the style of singing you want is always time, determination, practice and patience..
Aki S. Ian
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wah this is good stuff. time to take down some notes.
ANDY82
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yup
do remneber some notes. "rough edge" is not advise to use it often, will spolit your throat. and if you get season is very hard to sing songs with soul or love song.
some tech like "female like pitch" or the seagull voice
remnber one things.. learn to crawl====> walk then run
do remneber some notes. "rough edge" is not advise to use it often, will spolit your throat. and if you get season is very hard to sing songs with soul or love song.
some tech like "female like pitch" or the seagull voice
remnber one things.. learn to crawl====> walk then run
Haha, I've resigned as a thrash metaller, I'm now a speed prog metaller! Sortof resigned from metal vocals too, I'm focusing on my italian opera, its honestly far far far more challenging than anything contemporary music can fling in my direction. Helps to have a teacher, really does.
sage
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Awesome, I hope you'll be really good one day and I'll get to hear you!
Who are you learning classical voice from btw? Anyone I know?
Sweet maybe one day we can duet or something lol, am another metaller here..
jeremyspk
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Hi Hydrofly,
i'm not a good vocalist, but i've got a friend who's a classical vocal teacher (i don't really like classical singing, but well, she knows her stuffs).
She once said that if you "sandpaper" your voice overtime, your vocal cord will start developing nodules which can only be removed by surgery (and it's not 100% gurantee that you can get ur pitching back after the operation).
So u may want to think twice about "roughing" your voice.
I think to a certain extent, to produce a "rock" or "metal" voice it requires good vocal positioning. A guideline for safety would be "if after singing your throat hurts, stop using that technique".
Unless, of course, you want a short term career, that is.
I'm quite watchful in this area for myself as contemporary singing requires much forward positioning which is of higher risk in "sandpapering".
just my 2 cents
hope it helps. Jia you, かんばってください！
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Vocalistman
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Aight, in line with this thread, which has helped me a lot, I want to raise a question too..
I've been doing those rock voice, those "Creed" kinda voice for sometime now, and I am worried about the ''nodules'' thingy..So does that mean doing rock voice is not advisable? Then how do I sing rock songs, without using the rock voice? lol...(I never had throat pain before though..)
I'll have dry throat and stomach cramps after singing sometimes. Is this normal? I usually ignore the stomach pain (gastric pain?), and go on singing...*I guess its a bad thing to do uh?*..what warm-up should I do, too?
I've been doing those rock voice, those "Creed" kinda voice for sometime now, and I am worried about the ''nodules'' thingy..So does that mean doing rock voice is not advisable? Then how do I sing rock songs, without using the rock voice? lol...(I never had throat pain before though..)
I'll have dry throat and stomach cramps after singing sometimes. Is this normal? I usually ignore the stomach pain (gastric pain?), and go on singing...*I guess its a bad thing to do uh?*..what warm-up should I do, too?
sage
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I haven't any relevent tips on how to optimise your voice best for rock, (need to wait for the experts on this one), but I could give you a couple of leads on the tummy aches and dry throat...
Your tummy might be hurting because you're swallowing air when you breathe, and generally swallowing more air when you sing. Your mouth tends to get dry after that, and how your body reacts is it'll produce more saliva and possibly results in you swallowing more and causing your tummy gastrics..
It's best to avoid singing in dry areas, places with high humidity or smoke. Alcohol is definitely not gonna help, but I know some rock vocalists rely on it so I'll leave that bit to you to decide. I wouldn't recommend it tho, since everything's already quite dry. If the environment's dry then you have to double up on hydration / drink more (warm) water before you start singing. Hot coffee (or any other temp for that matter) is a definite no no cos it dries things up.... so if you're a coffee drinker, keep it to once a day..
Another tip is.. judging by the music you're singing, there's probably gonna be some pressure caused in your abdomen as the diaphragm pushes upwards, so if you're gonna keep yourself hydrated, don't drink by the bulk cos a water-bloated tummy is gonna be uncomfortable singing songs like that (IMO lah).
Might want to reconsider having a light meal about 15-25 mins before singing, and hydrate /prep yourself before singing to counter this out.
As for the rock voice question... must wait till the rockers reply
Our regular rock softies would recommend smoking or alcohol though, and it does work but there's no guarantee on it, and the health and state of your vox cords and esophagus would be at risk.
Personally .. for me, the best way to be a (safe) rock vocalist is to adapt to speaking like a rocker till your voice tunes up to its style naturally and you don't have to push yourself or your throat too much to sing rock and lessen risking them out to damage..
Oh wait, there's an article over at melissa cross that could help you with the nodule-rock insight. http://www.melissacross.com/vocal_lessons.php
I think it's under the damage control link, you could check that out and enlighten yourself ~
Hope the tips helped, happy lunchin~
Your tummy might be hurting because you're swallowing air when you breathe, and generally swallowing more air when you sing. Your mouth tends to get dry after that, and how your body reacts is it'll produce more saliva and possibly results in you swallowing more and causing your tummy gastrics..
It's best to avoid singing in dry areas, places with high humidity or smoke. Alcohol is definitely not gonna help, but I know some rock vocalists rely on it so I'll leave that bit to you to decide. I wouldn't recommend it tho, since everything's already quite dry. If the environment's dry then you have to double up on hydration / drink more (warm) water before you start singing. Hot coffee (or any other temp for that matter) is a definite no no cos it dries things up.... so if you're a coffee drinker, keep it to once a day..
Another tip is.. judging by the music you're singing, there's probably gonna be some pressure caused in your abdomen as the diaphragm pushes upwards, so if you're gonna keep yourself hydrated, don't drink by the bulk cos a water-bloated tummy is gonna be uncomfortable singing songs like that (IMO lah).
Might want to reconsider having a light meal about 15-25 mins before singing, and hydrate /prep yourself before singing to counter this out.
As for the rock voice question... must wait till the rockers reply
Our regular rock softies would recommend smoking or alcohol though, and it does work but there's no guarantee on it, and the health and state of your vox cords and esophagus would be at risk.Personally .. for me, the best way to be a (safe) rock vocalist is to adapt to speaking like a rocker till your voice tunes up to its style naturally and you don't have to push yourself or your throat too much to sing rock and lessen risking them out to damage..
Oh wait, there's an article over at melissa cross that could help you with the nodule-rock insight. http://www.melissacross.com/vocal_lessons.php
I think it's under the damage control link, you could check that out and enlighten yourself ~
Hope the tips helped, happy lunchin~
Vocalistman
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Woah! it really helps me clear my doubts! Lucky for me, I don't deal with ciggie, even though its may sounds ''better'' on vocals, it reduces stamina..lol. and I don't drink coffees nor alcohol...Ok well, a little bit of alcohol on weekends..lol
but still, thank you very much. :mrgreen:
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