good guitar to gig versus white elephant amp head

a recorded sound is very different from the actual sound from an amp.

loads of EQs, dynamics control, effects and production techniques are applied to make the guitar sound - out of this world.
 
Yeap, the recorded tone is totally diff from when going thru a mic.

Matt, i bet it will shock you to know what my recording was a line in.

The Distortus Maximus has that much PUNCH.

I didn't add any thing else, no compression nothing.


If you run this into a tube amp, you would get the depth you want.

Actually, sag and metal chug don't really come together? Sag is like loose-ness isn't it?
 
yeah lah... basket, till i buy my computer and that external audio interface. Prob in 2 mth's time. Then can mic up. Or line in with greater quality.
 
mattleesc ur amps are gd enuf..
my suggession is that u sell ur lower end guitar ..but keep one for spare ..just in case..:)
as for amps ...an engl powerball might add that sag that ur after..
well for me to get that low sag..just get an outboard eq or change the speakers on ur cab..

the low sag i think mostly comes in 6l6 tube teritory..
for in ur face british tone a el34 tube

if you think carrying a head is tedious ..then go for a power/pre set up..
just mount the stuff an a 19 rack casing and ur gd too go..pretty safe as well

the cost might be the same as getting a head..
if you choose this route ..get a gd poweramp ..like vht ..as for a preamp you can get as basic as a sansamp gt2..:)

ShredCow can let me test the Distortus Maximus?interesting tone ..to say the least for heavy chugg..
 
alright here's my 2c on the matter.

i believe its better to have a good amp over anything else. look at it this way, even the best lespaul with EMGs will sound like shit run into a peavey bandit for example. this is even more so when you're talking about high gain crunch tones for modern metal. so long as you have a decent guitar with decent pickups installed (which you do), you should be alright.

i once tried an engl powerball with a lower end ibanez RG270 or whatever. sounded godly as usual.

good guitar = feel and playability. good pickups are a factor though i believe 80% of the tone is in the amp. nothing will replace a good tube amp for high gain, absolutely freaking nothing, no pedal in the world.

you're right, the F30 wont cut it for the tone you want. the framus dragon is a good choice,hell maybe even a cranked JCM800 if you're not into the super saturated tone. i'd stay away from the dual rectos though.

consider all the circumstances involved especially the biggest question: do you gig with a band? are you willing to bring down the amp/head/rack to gigs and even jamming, and be ready to insist on using your amp at gigs despite the objections from lazy soundmen? chiropractor bills from hauling that beast around? not being able to party after a gig because of the amount of gear to be packed up and taken home safely?

get a damn amp, its worth it :wink:

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penguin: the powerball is insanely tight and punchy..no manner of sag there. EQs or speakers dont affect this.
and if anything, rack gear is more "tedious" than a head/cab setup. usually ends up weighing the same as a head, if not more. ever tried lifting a tube poweramp?

soft: i used to think that was true. but in reality, for most modern high gain tones, i find myself and others using very little in the way of processing. definately no compression, and maybe a HPF to get rid of excess low end. 90% of the sound is still in the amp and mics positioning.
the "recorded sound is different from actual" thing doesnt really hold water in this case.

spend enough time obsessing about high gain guitar tone and you'll see what i mean. i can pick out a 5150/engl/etc tone on record within seconds of listening to it, no matter how much processing was applied.
 
+1 to getting the amp - provided you can crank it enough where you play, not many low wattage high gain tube amps to choose from, and if you dont bring it up to a certain level the amp doesnt really open up. Low volume preamp distortion without the power tubes cooking tends to sound buzzy. [/quote]
 
well, most of the modern high gainers actually rely more on the preamp section, so low volume levels would be okay. tho of course bringing the power tubes into play would sound better.
 
Matt knows I have a GH50L lying in my room la and I tell you... I've yet to regret getting this amp. Of course, it sounded better cranked but it sounds pretty good at bedroom volumes too. Love the warmness and the british crunch of this amp. If you're concerned by power amp distortion, sust get an attenuator and problem solved! *hint hint*

And oh yah.. If anyone's interested in the Krank Distortus Maximus, we cab try to work out an loan exchange pedal deal. Me interested in boost pedals to push the amp nowadays. :D
 
Exactly what i meant, high gain amps rely on preamp distortion, but a 50 watt tube amp wasnt made to be played at bedroom volumes. Preamp distortion by itself sounds buzzy, poweramp distortion smooths it out, so that it sounds more tube amp and less transistor radio. However, its not like you're spoiled for choice because high gainers dont come in low wattage formats, except for a few with expensive power scaling options.

An attenuator doesnt work very well with high gain amps, which tend to be more compressed. IMO attenuators work best to manage your stage volume, so you can krank the volume a bit more without overpowering the other instruments. All that hype about full power tube saturation at bedroom volumes is just that, marketing hype. Any serious attenuation of your amp's signal will lead to noticeable loss in frequencies, as well as significant compression. (i.e. colour your tone, in a bad way). Adding more compression to a compressed tone doesnt sound like a good idea, unless you intend to use it that way, so attenuation only works well in moderation.

Some amps have very good master volumes, so that you dont even need an attenuator. I just think you should take that into consideration, so that you dont sell all your gear to get that dream amp, then realise you cant use it to its full potential. Sort of like buying a ferrari and realising you can only drive it in a multistorey carpark.
 
yeah sorry the IT nazis at my workplace were experimenting with some surfcontrol software which was behaving a bit wonky, just as I hit "submit" after typing my post.
 
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