Gibson Burstbucker Pro VS Seymour duncan Seth Lover SH-55

[teleplayer]

Hey guys. which one gives a more PAF sound? I want to get a jimmy page sound... is the seth lover a good alternative?

 

[dudelove]

forget abt the gibson pickups. seriously. overpriced and just because they have the word gibson on them doesnt make them great.

the seth lovers are a better and cheaper alternative. do expect microphonic feedback because this pickup is not waxed potted. just like the PAFs back then. they will be a good and cheap choice for the neck pickup imo. the sh-1 59's do a better job because its slightly hotter. the seth lovers are probably the most cost effective PAF replica out there.

however, jimmy page's PAF in the bridge position failed in 1972, so he got it replaced with a gibson t-top. replicas of these aren't easy to come by. i know fralins did make one but not anymore. the t-tops give jimmy page that notorious quack and honkiness.

i think the 59's have a bit of the t-topish qualities in them. i think that would be a better choice for the bridge pickup. and maybe seth lovers in the neck.

 

[teleplayer]

Oh I see... I heard that jimmy page also uses dimarzio super distortion is it?

 

[dudelove]

huh where did u get that info from??

he has nvr used any dimarzios.

he swapped his t-top for a custom wound seymour duncan that is present in his no. 1 les paul today.

 

[teleplayer]

erm http://www.facebook.com/pages/DiMarzio/35559312184 they wrote that jimmy page uses super distortion.

 

[dudelove]

jimmy page has a huge collection of guitars. maybe one of them has a dimarzio super distortion. which i am not familiar off.. haha

but as far as jimmy page's tone is concern, his main gigging instruments consist of his dragon tele, #1, which i have been telling you of, #2 which has many wiring modifications done to it, #3 which has a b-bender in the 80s, his 60s les paul custom, and his eds-1275. a few others though.

none of these guitars had a dimarzio super distortion. and i'm quite sure putting one in ur les paul wont get u close to any of his tones.

 

[teleplayer]

Lol. Okay. So getting the '59 and seth lover will get something like his tone? is the '59 able to play heavy stuffs?

 

[dudelove]

Lol. Okay. So getting the '59 and seth lover will get something like his tone? is the '59 able to play heavy stuffs?

yes that combo can get u close. it will be the most cost efficient way to go.

but do note. having those pickups will not be enough. ur rig needs to have a standard. not some crappy solid state and a FAB distortion or something like that. the amps he has used for studio recordings vary alot. for example, since i've been loving you, he recorded using a completely random amplifier that was lying in the studio. and what fantastic tone it produced.

u really do need a decent amp with a very decent overdrive to get close.

for heavy stuff, yes its possible. u need a very good rig like i mentioned earlier. a good amp is most important. also, when u gig or jam at a studio expect microphonic feedback from the neck pickup when using a fair amount of gain.

 

[moo_5150]

for me...
dont go for that burstbucker. Prefer the Lindy Fralin Paf rather than SD Seth or 59. first u can get nice old skoolish vintagy page LesPaul, and u can get here in Sg without shipping, very nice boutique pickups without regret..
But SD is the 2nd choice, nice combo between SD Seth+59... but try to take a look the SD Antiquities for nicer result... and honky tonk like page's guitar...ur guitar should be. but avoid burstbucker IMO.

 

[dudelove]

the reason why i think the 59's are the best cost effective way to go is because it has many similarities with jimmy pages's t-top. and the t-top really contributes to that honk, esp when switched to the middle position.

according to seymour duncans website, the 59's measure 8.13k and use alnico V magnets. thats very similar to the t-tops which measure 7.9-8.1k and use alnico V magnets. gibsons pickups really varied alot in the past due to the technology then.. so they arent very accurate.

fralins used to make t-top replicas and very good PAF replicas but they might be quite costly, considering the "boutique" price tag

 

[subversion]

Seth Lover humbucker is not wax-potted, so not recommended if you do lots of drive/distortion (unless you wax-pot them yourself).

 

[dudelove]

sub, since humbucking pickups during late 50s and 60s were mostly not wax potted, how did players manage to play with excess amounts of gain?

 

[iwantdigimon]

sorry to interrupt, this '59 SD u speak of, is its alternative name the SH-1?

 

[dudelove]

sorry to interrupt, this '59 SD u speak of, is its alternative name the SH-1?

yupz yupz.. u could always check the seymour duncan website though

 

[subversion]

sub, since humbucking pickups during late 50s and 60s were mostly not wax potted, how did players manage to play with excess amounts of gain?

the gain back then wasn't excessively induced like out set-ups today. it was mostly (amp) volume-triggered break-ups.

 

[iwantdigimon]

the SH-1 is usually in the neck position right?

 

[subversion]

you can use it for both; Duncan offers the '59 in neck & bridge versions.

 

[teleplayer]

Sianned... I intend to use the seth lover with distortion to give me that warm sound.... but I don't think it will work...

Plus I don't really like the sound and look of '59... i dun like the zebra/ the SD words on it....

 

[dudelove]

Sianned... I intend to use the seth lover with distortion to give me that warm sound.... but I don't think it will work...

dont worry lah there are lots of PAF replicas out there.

goose recommends:
http://www.manliusguitar.com/
for pickups in the PAF camp

 

[teleplayer]

dont worry lah there are lots of PAF replicas out there.

goose recommends:
http://www.manliusguitar.com/
for pickups in the PAF camp

lol.. I'm still a student and I don't like ordering things... it's better to have it available in the singapore...

I saw this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msY0KDWbNSk this person played metal with seth lovers...